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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:34 pm    Post subject: Jerry Rice Really Is A Bitter, Bitter Old Man Reply with quote

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When Randy Moss declared himself to be the greatest wide receiver of all time on Super Bowl Media Day, it set off debate in the football world about where he ranks among the best. The general agreement seems to be that he, or any receiver for that matter, cannot hold a candle to Jerry Rice. It seems that Rice himself may think that way as well.

Rice was on 101 ESPN in St. Louis Wednesday, and he was asked about Moss' comments. The hall-of-famer didn't exactly show humility when responding, and also offered up a backhanded compliment to Moss:

"Well, in a way, it just offended me a little bit. I feel like my body of work, it speaks for itself, and what I was able to accomplish on the football field. I pretty much leave everything up to the fans. If they want to say I was the greatest receiver to play the game, then that's okay. If they want to say I'm the greatest football player to ever play the game, that's okay. I never felt like I had to say that, and those words are not going to come out of my mouth.

That's Randy Moss, and I admire him for what he was able to accomplish on the football field. He did some great things. The guy is 6'5, he runs a 4.3, he could out-jump people. The thing that separates us, is that I never took a play off. My work ethic, I was not the most talented but I was going to outwork you and I think that is why I was able to have so much success on the football field."

The work ethic and attention to detail is certainly what set Rice apart from Moss, as he was nearly as good at creating explosive plays despite being slower, smaller, and less athletic. Rice averaged 14.8 yards per catch over his career, while Moss has picked up 15.6. Rice was also able to sustain excellence over a longer period of time, catching 92 passes at the age of 40 with the Oakland Raiders. Moss has become a tertiary option at 35, and seems close to retirement.

So, does Rice deserve to think he is the greatest of all time? Sure. Most people agree, obviously including Rice himself. The only thing that is obnoxious about his comments, and possibly more annoying than Moss' outright declaration, is that he contradicts himself in an attempt to feign humility.

He says that he would "never say" he is the best of all time, but says it in the sentence prior. The fact that he even says he is "offended" by Moss' statement shows that he does believe himself to the greatest. If he was trying to be modest, then he is a pretty bad actor. Good thing he had another career to fall back on.


http://www.sbnation.com/2013/1/31/3937380/super-bowl-2013-xlvii-jerry-rice-randy-moss-reaction

Add to "I dislike hypotheticals, it isn't fair to say 'If Randy had these quarterbacks'..." but then only minutes later..."If I had played in 16 games in stead of 12, I obviously would have caught more than 23 touchdowns". He got upset when asked if the quarterback comparison is valid since the "If I had played 16 games" was valid. He said "Look at the stats", and when told the stats between 36 year old Moss and 36 year old Rice are similar, he dismissed them.

It is really true. His "class" is entirely overstated. Walking contradiction bumbling over his own pride. More than anything, he sounds downright defensive and insecure. Moss is so calm as he states it, while Rice gets all fired up. For as much as Moss might be trying to stay relevant, Jerry Rice is worlds ahead of him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing really wrong with what I read there.

Though I do think Rice is definitely not an ideal character, maybe a bit diva-ish and egotistical but incredibly good at hiding it. I'll never forget him on the sideline when his catch streak ended. I suppose it shows there a bit in those comments, though again nothing really bad. Certainly isn't bitter, and really has no reason to be bitter.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who cares?

He basically just said Moss isnt better than him. But tried and failed to come off as humble. Is this thread worthy?

Moss is greatest deep threat of all time but Jerry is greatest. Get over it and move on.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Jerry Rice Really Is A Bitter, Bitter Old Man Reply with quote

NextBigThing wrote:
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When Randy Moss declared himself to be the greatest wide receiver of all time on Super Bowl Media Day, it set off debate in the football world about where he ranks among the best. The general agreement seems to be that he, or any receiver for that matter, cannot hold a candle to Jerry Rice. It seems that Rice himself may think that way as well.

Rice was on 101 ESPN in St. Louis Wednesday, and he was asked about Moss' comments. The hall-of-famer didn't exactly show humility when responding, and also offered up a backhanded compliment to Moss:

"Well, in a way, it just offended me a little bit. I feel like my body of work, it speaks for itself, and what I was able to accomplish on the football field. I pretty much leave everything up to the fans. If they want to say I was the greatest receiver to play the game, then that's okay. If they want to say I'm the greatest football player to ever play the game, that's okay. I never felt like I had to say that, and those words are not going to come out of my mouth.

That's Randy Moss, and I admire him for what he was able to accomplish on the football field. He did some great things. The guy is 6'5, he runs a 4.3, he could out-jump people. The thing that separates us, is that I never took a play off. My work ethic, I was not the most talented but I was going to outwork you and I think that is why I was able to have so much success on the football field."

The work ethic and attention to detail is certainly what set Rice apart from Moss, as he was nearly as good at creating explosive plays despite being slower, smaller, and less athletic. Rice averaged 14.8 yards per catch over his career, while Moss has picked up 15.6. Rice was also able to sustain excellence over a longer period of time, catching 92 passes at the age of 40 with the Oakland Raiders. Moss has become a tertiary option at 35, and seems close to retirement.

So, does Rice deserve to think he is the greatest of all time? Sure. Most people agree, obviously including Rice himself. The only thing that is obnoxious about his comments, and possibly more annoying than Moss' outright declaration, is that he contradicts himself in an attempt to feign humility.

He says that he would "never say" he is the best of all time, but says it in the sentence prior. The fact that he even says he is "offended" by Moss' statement shows that he does believe himself to the greatest. If he was trying to be modest, then he is a pretty bad actor. Good thing he had another career to fall back on.


http://www.sbnation.com/2013/1/31/3937380/super-bowl-2013-xlvii-jerry-rice-randy-moss-reaction

Add to "I dislike hypotheticals, it isn't fair to say 'If Randy had these quarterbacks'..." but then only minutes later..."If I had played in 16 games in stead of 12, I obviously would have caught more than 23 touchdowns".

It is really true. His "class" is entirely overstated.


His hypotheticals are more blatantly obvious. You don't think he would have caught 2 more touchdowns in 4 more games?

Also, you're overrating his bitterness, as not many people actually believe that Moss is the GOAT. He knows this.

Lastly, the stats that Jerry put up without Montana and Young suggest that he would have put up even BETTER stats than he did with those two phenomenal quarterbacks who like to spread the ball around.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reckless123 wrote:
Who cares?


This.

Don't we have enough Randy Moss threads around here already?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nothing really wrong with what I read there.

Though I do think Rice is definitely not an ideal character, maybe a bit diva-ish and egotistical but incredibly good at hiding it. I'll never forget him on the sideline when his catch streak ended. I suppose it shows there a bit in those comments, though again nothing really bad. Certainly isn't bitter, and really has no reason to be bitter.


Rice is bitter over how much harder he thinks worked than Moss yet Moss has supporters who view him as better than Rice in some ways.

It is like the ugly guy being bitter than a good looking guy gets to date the girl who is best friends with the ugly guy. Nothing he can do.

Bitter relates to how defensive he gets. He also said he surprised Randy Moss didn't call him after Moss caught his 23rd touchdown (why would Moss cal him?), but said "Hey, that is just Randy Moss".

It is entirely wrong for him to act as self righteous as he does when he displays the traits of equal annoyance. For him to say "I never say I'm the best" and then get as defensive & self complimentary as he does is hilarious. If he was totally confident that nobody would listen to Moss and side with Rice, he would not be getting as upset as he is.

Rice sounds like he is bitter than someone simply more gifted than he just might some credit for being that way. "But I WORKED for it".

Running up mountains didn't give you 4.1 speed, Jerry.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait a minute, Moss saying he's the GOAT=okay.
But Rice saying "No, I think I am"=bitter?
Laughing Okay, NBT.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a joke of a thread.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wait a minute, Moss saying he's the GOAT=okay.
But Rice saying "No, I think I am"=bitter?
Laughing Okay, NBT.


Moss does not act upset or offended if someone thinks Moss isn't the GOAT. Laughing

Everyones entitled their opinion, Rice is acting about as unclassy as possible.
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Wait a minute, Moss saying he's the GOAT=okay.
But Rice saying "No, I think I am"=bitter?
Laughing Okay, NBT.



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And Megatron seems to have an inside track on being everything Moss wishes he was.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jaguarfan wrote:
Wait a minute, Moss saying he's the GOAT=okay.
But Rice saying "No, I think I am"=bitter?
Laughing Okay, NBT.


Moss does not act upset or offended if someone thinks Moss isn't the GOAT. Laughing

Says who? Moss has never been faced with that question.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NextBigThing wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
Wait a minute, Moss saying he's the GOAT=okay.
But Rice saying "No, I think I am"=bitter?
Laughing Okay, NBT.


Moss does not act upset or offended if someone thinks Moss isn't the GOAT. Laughing

Says who? Moss has never been faced with that question.


What? Every reporter asked him about today and yesterday. He just says "Its my opinion, I mean no disrespect".
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could easily say that Moss was disrespectful in dismissing the numbers Jerry put up and the hard work he had to put in to put up such numbers.

But im not gonna do that.

ET, lock this thread please.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I could easily say that Moss was disrespectful in dismissing the numbers Jerry put up and the hard work he had to put in to put up such numbers.


And you would be entirely wrong. The #s through age 36 are similar, the situations are not, and the level of play sure as hell isnt. Laughing Laughing Jerry knows it too, hence why he gets so defensive.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jaguarfan wrote:
NextBigThing wrote:
Jaguarfan wrote:
Wait a minute, Moss saying he's the GOAT=okay.
But Rice saying "No, I think I am"=bitter?
Laughing Okay, NBT.


Moss does not act upset or offended if someone thinks Moss isn't the GOAT. Laughing

Says who? Moss has never been faced with that question.


What? Every reporter asked him about today and yesterday. He just says "Its my opinion, I mean no disrespect".

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't particularly care who the better receiver was, though Rice probably has a better case than Moss does, and that's why it's a minority opinion to think that Moss is the GOAT.
Jerry wasn't being bitter, and this is borderline trolling.

And let's wait and see what happens when Randy is around Rice's age and Calvin has better numbers and is calling himself the GOAT.
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