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Panthers LB Luke Kuechly named Defensive Rookie of the year
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Jenkins had a shot but Kuechly had a terrific year.
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I am Packers fan in Buc country and my good friend thinks David should have won, and I was wondering where Haywood fared. Any one have a link that shows the votes?


Hayward 3rd.

http://blog.packers.com/2013/02/02/casey-hayward-takes-3rd-in-defensive-rookie-of-year-voting/


Didn't really keep up with how the other rookies did, but I assumed Hayward would do better.
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Well-earned for Kuechly in areally competitive year for this award. Hayward, Wagner,and others were strong candidates.
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A middle LB that was drafted highly won the DROY award... Shocker Rolling Eyes
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Wish Zach Brown would have started all the games. He would have had a good shot at winning.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A middle LB that was drafted highly won the DROY award... Shocker Rolling Eyes


Yeah, go figure that the NFL's leading tackler would win an award.
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james.mcmurry13 wrote:
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A middle LB that was drafted highly won the DROY award... Shocker Rolling Eyes


Yeah, go figure that the NFL's leading tackler would win an award.
Wow, tackles is such an amazing stat. It totally reflects just how good a player really is.
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MNPackfan32 wrote:
james.mcmurry13 wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
A middle LB that was drafted highly won the DROY award... Shocker Rolling Eyes


Yeah, go figure that the NFL's leading tackler would win an award.
Wow, tackles is such an amazing stat. It totally reflects just how good a player really is.


How about tackles+stuffs+sacks+interceptions+passes defensed? Plus all that game film that showed just how great he was on the field. Does all that reflect how good a player really is?

Kuechly was as deserving as anyone this year for the award. You are kidding yourself if you dont think so.
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kkkkkkkkkkkkkueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeccccccccccchhh!!!!! Laughing
Hes going to be reallllly reaaly good, i cant believe how wrong i was about him entering the draft, didnt not think he was so rangy and fierce like he is.
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J Pep 4 Step wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
james.mcmurry13 wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
A middle LB that was drafted highly won the DROY award... Shocker Rolling Eyes


Yeah, go figure that the NFL's leading tackler would win an award.
Wow, tackles is such an amazing stat. It totally reflects just how good a player really is.


How about tackles+stuffs+sacks+interceptions+passes defensed? Plus all that game film that showed just how great he was on the field. Does all that reflect how good a player really is?

Kuechly was as deserving as anyone this year for the award. You are kidding yourself if you dont think so.


But if you're drafted high you definitely have a head start on getting a ROY award, just like how Andrew Luck somehow got more votes than Russell Wilson. I wish that bias would be removed (Kuechly might have still won, who knows).
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J Pep 4 Step wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
james.mcmurry13 wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
A middle LB that was drafted highly won the DROY award... Shocker Rolling Eyes


Yeah, go figure that the NFL's leading tackler would win an award.
Wow, tackles is such an amazing stat. It totally reflects just how good a player really is.


How about tackles+stuffs+sacks+interceptions+passes defensed? Plus all that game film that showed just how great he was on the field. Does all that reflect how good a player really is?

Kuechly was as deserving as anyone this year for the award. You are kidding yourself if you dont think so.
So how about the cornerback that had the best metrics in the NFL? Not only that, but Hayward joined one of the worst defenses in NFL history and helped turn them into an above average pass defense. I think he had a much bigger impact.
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MNPackfan32 wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
james.mcmurry13 wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
A middle LB that was drafted highly won the DROY award... Shocker Rolling Eyes


Yeah, go figure that the NFL's leading tackler would win an award.
Wow, tackles is such an amazing stat. It totally reflects just how good a player really is.


How about tackles+stuffs+sacks+interceptions+passes defensed? Plus all that game film that showed just how great he was on the field. Does all that reflect how good a player really is?

Kuechly was as deserving as anyone this year for the award. You are kidding yourself if you dont think so.
So how about the cornerback that had the best metrics in the NFL? Not only that, but Hayward joined one of the worst defenses in NFL history and helped turn them into an above average pass defense. I think he had a much bigger impact.


Hayward finished where he deserved to finish. I would've given it to Wagner over Kuechly, but those two were the most logical choices.
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MNPackfan32 wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
james.mcmurry13 wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
A middle LB that was drafted highly won the DROY award... Shocker Rolling Eyes


Yeah, go figure that the NFL's leading tackler would win an award.
Wow, tackles is such an amazing stat. It totally reflects just how good a player really is.


How about tackles+stuffs+sacks+interceptions+passes defensed? Plus all that game film that showed just how great he was on the field. Does all that reflect how good a player really is?

Kuechly was as deserving as anyone this year for the award. You are kidding yourself if you dont think so.
So how about the cornerback that had the best metrics in the NFL? Not only that, but Hayward joined one of the worst defenses in NFL history and helped turn them into an above average pass defense. I think he had a much bigger impact.


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MNPackfan32 wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
MNPackfan32 wrote:
james.mcmurry13 wrote:
Ketchup wrote:
A middle LB that was drafted highly won the DROY award... Shocker Rolling Eyes


Yeah, go figure that the NFL's leading tackler would win an award.
Wow, tackles is such an amazing stat. It totally reflects just how good a player really is.


How about tackles+stuffs+sacks+interceptions+passes defensed? Plus all that game film that showed just how great he was on the field. Does all that reflect how good a player really is?

Kuechly was as deserving as anyone this year for the award. You are kidding yourself if you dont think so.
So how about the cornerback that had the best metrics in the NFL? Not only that, but Hayward joined one of the worst defenses in NFL history and helped turn them into an above average pass defense. I think he had a much bigger impact.


There were as few very deserving candidates. It was a great year for defensive rookies. All I am saying is Kuechly was every bit as deserving. He wasnt gifted the award. He earned it with outstanding play on the field.

It seems there is this tendency to jump to the conclusion that Kuchly is sliding by on his name and draft position. It isnt true. Dude was balling this season. He had a phenomenal rookie season. The numbers bear that out. The film bears that out.

"Much" bigger impact? How so? Kuechly was moved to the middle and the defense immediately becan an amazing turnaround. You might have an argument that Hayward had a bigger impact. But a "much" bigger impact? Thats pure homerperbole.
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I think Wagner and Kuechly were the only true candidates here. I understand each argument for each player. Its a matter of preference really.
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