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TommyC376
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| WhackyPlague wrote: | | steelcurtain29 wrote: | | TommyC376 wrote: | | steelcurtain29 wrote: | | And people wonder why the Bills are struggling to compete in this league. You're never going to get anywhere if you're paying 6.5 million to a decent back-up. |
Come on man. Its NOT 6.5 a year. Its a MAX salary of 13M ... meaning its insentive based.
Why is it so difficult for people to understand that this contract is worth at the absolute most 13 mil (with the incentives). |
The fact that they're willing to give him 13 million total for any reason is ridiculous. You honestly think he's worth 13 million dollars over the next two seasons? |
If he takes them to the playoffs, absolutely. And that's the only way he's getting $13 million. |
Exactly.
But do I think he's worth 13M over 2 years? No.
But he isnt getting 6.5 Mil a year. Its an incentive based contract. I mean its already been reported that the deal is woth a MAX of 13M. 
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Nabbs4u
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| WhackyPlague wrote: | | steelcurtain29 wrote: | | TommyC376 wrote: | | steelcurtain29 wrote: | | And people wonder why the Bills are struggling to compete in this league. You're never going to get anywhere if you're paying 6.5 million to a decent back-up. |
Come on man. Its NOT 6.5 a year. Its a MAX salary of 13M ... meaning its insentive based.
Why is it so difficult for people to understand that this contract is worth at the absolute most 13 mil (with the incentives). |
The fact that they're willing to give him 13 million total for any reason is ridiculous. You honestly think he's worth 13 million dollars over the next two seasons? |
If he takes them to the playoffs, absolutely. And that's the only way he's getting $13 million. |
That and probably starting all 32 games  , making it to the SB, Winning the SB, Throwing for ....TD, only having ....TO! Like every single contract out there the total amount means absolutely nothing in the long run. NFL contracts are written on toilet paper and can be flushed at any time they see fit. It would not surprise me if we learn it's really a 1 yr guaranteed contract with an option for year 2 with a base salary around 3-4 mil.
With that said Kolb is a joke and has been since he was drafted. He's another version of David Carr and acts like a deer in headlights when pressure is applied. Add the fact he's made of glass and I have no doubts whats so ever he never sees the entirety of that contract.
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ttitansfan4life
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Makes sense as of backup even if it is too much but hopefully for the Bills sake, he's not their starter.
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goldfishwars
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SteelKing728
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| Billy Spikes wrote: | | If Kolb ends up starting for the Bills at least they can say he isn't the worst starting QB in the division. [Sanchez] |
This is true, but I'm hoping Tarvaris Jackson wins the job.
In which the fact still remains: Both Kolb and Jackson are better than Mark Sanchez.
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Plush
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| BillSabre wrote: | | Boise&cards Fan wrote: | | Well if kolb does some how start For Buffalo they will be in the lead for Teddy Bridgewater. |
Refresh my memory........ What was the Cards record before his injury? |
you have nowhere near the cards supporting cast or defense |
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TommyC376
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| Plush wrote: | | BillSabre wrote: | | Boise&cards Fan wrote: | | Well if kolb does some how start For Buffalo they will be in the lead for Teddy Bridgewater. |
Refresh my memory........ What was the Cards record before his injury? |
you have nowhere near the cards supporting cast or defense |
You're right about the defense. But Buffalo's OLine is better than Arizona's ... so is Buffalo's running game.
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| goldfishwars wrote: | | He has to be one of the richest failures in living sporting memory. |
He's made over $1 million per TD pass. |
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Malik
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| TommyC376 wrote: | | Plush wrote: | | BillSabre wrote: | | Boise&cards Fan wrote: | | Well if kolb does some how start For Buffalo they will be in the lead for Teddy Bridgewater. |
Refresh my memory........ What was the Cards record before his injury? |
you have nowhere near the cards supporting cast or defense |
You're right about the defense. But Buffalo's OLine is better than Arizona's ... so is Buffalo's running game. |
Steve Johnson isn't Larry Fitzgerald, but it's not like any QB in the league wouldn't be excited to have him on their team as well. He's a 1000yard/80rec/8td type WR. |
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TommyC376
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| Malik wrote: | | TommyC376 wrote: | | Plush wrote: | | BillSabre wrote: | | Boise&cards Fan wrote: | | Well if kolb does some how start For Buffalo they will be in the lead for Teddy Bridgewater. |
Refresh my memory........ What was the Cards record before his injury? |
you have nowhere near the cards supporting cast or defense |
You're right about the defense. But Buffalo's OLine is better than Arizona's ... so is Buffalo's running game. |
Steve Johnson isn't Larry Fitzgerald, but it's not like any QB in the league wouldn't be excited to have him on their team as well. He's a 1000yard/80rec/8td type WR. |
Very true. I would never try to compare Larry Fitz with Stevie Johnson. That said. Buffalo has more weapons on offense than Arizona has.
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| Smh what is this team doing ? I suppose decent as a back up but than I question the purpose of TJax. |
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| WhackyPlague wrote: | | steelcurtain29 wrote: | | TommyC376 wrote: | | steelcurtain29 wrote: | | And people wonder why the Bills are struggling to compete in this league. You're never going to get anywhere if you're paying 6.5 million to a decent back-up. |
Come on man. Its NOT 6.5 a year. Its a MAX salary of 13M ... meaning its insentive based.
Why is it so difficult for people to understand that this contract is worth at the absolute most 13 mil (with the incentives). |
The fact that they're willing to give him 13 million total for any reason is ridiculous. You honestly think he's worth 13 million dollars over the next two seasons? |
If he takes them to the playoffs, absolutely. And that's the only way he's getting $13 million. |
QFT
As for the Bills vs Arizona talent debate. Our offense is better in all aspects except for at WR...which obviously doesn't help. But I assume we address that in the draft. And this year our defence should be MUCH improved with Pettine. Finally going to get the most out of our players.
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Trentwannabe
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| BillsGuy82 wrote: | | Smh what is this team doing ? I suppose decent as a back up but than I question the purpose of TJax. |
Competition man. I am almost certain one of these men will be cut in August. I didn't want just TJax on the roster having him think he can slack because at worst he's 2nd string. And same goes for Kolb. Both these men probably have very little guaranteed money if any in their contracts. Makes them want to compete and makes them better. Which gives the Bills better options.
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That awkward moment a team "lands" Marrone as their big coaching move. |
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sp6488
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With the talk of incentives in the deal I started thinking if this is a move to GAIN salary cap space. That's right, gain salary cap space in the future. I'm not sure if the new CBA works the same way, but in the old CBA incentives are marked as "likely to be earned" and "not likely to be earned." LTBE incentives are included in a teams current year cap number, but if they are not reached, then the team would receive a "credit" in the following season IIRC. Perhaps they gave him a fair number of "LTBE" incentives in hopes of getting back space in future seasons.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/cba/nfl-cba-2006-2012.pdf
Again, if the CBA no longer works this way, than this is moot.
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