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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Everyone one that gets drafted/ signed by Oakland, just seems to fall on there face. I don't think its the players.... its called playing for Oakland.....


Which is why we see a lot of ex Oakland players thriving with other teams.... oh wait. And explain the players that are actually good in Oakland. Or the two players who were paid among the highest in FA from Oakland. Pedantic comment sir.

McClain is a heavy footed, slow to react LB who struggles tackling and can't pick his way through traffic. He's easily blocked out of the hole on run plays and a target against the pass in coverage.

All this 'he will thrive with another team' business shows that some have watched very very little of Slowlando McClain. He was a product of Saban's defense and is nothing more than an NFL role player.


Funny, this sounds a lot like what Seattle fans were saying of Aaron Curry Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SaveourSonics wrote:
big_palooka wrote:
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Everyone one that gets drafted/ signed by Oakland, just seems to fall on there face. I don't think its the players.... its called playing for Oakland.....


Which is why we see a lot of ex Oakland players thriving with other teams.... oh wait. And explain the players that are actually good in Oakland. Or the two players who were paid among the highest in FA from Oakland. Pedantic comment sir.

McClain is a heavy footed, slow to react LB who struggles tackling and can't pick his way through traffic. He's easily blocked out of the hole on run plays and a target against the pass in coverage.

All this 'he will thrive with another team' business shows that some have watched very very little of Slowlando McClain. He was a product of Saban's defense and is nothing more than an NFL role player.


Funny, this sounds a lot like what Seattle fans were saying of Aaron Curry Wink


And what a baller he has become. Laughing
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I don't agree at all with the second point.

Particularly for LBs. If your interior Dline is getting blown up every snap, you are going to get washed out by behemoth guards, or if your secondary can't cover they'll just pass all over you. etc. etc.
I can understand that, we've just made a few linebackers look better than they probably are recently. (Wimbley and Wheeler)


Pay it no mind. The people trying to support this clown and blame the Raiders never watched him play on Sundays.

Pretty simple to watch him play and come to the conclusion that the guy is a bum.


Err yeah.

Not trying to defend him, just dispelling the notion that sucky LBs should look good in sucky defenses. If your d-lineman can't hold their own, and your secondary can't cover, you ain't gonna look good.


Kelly and Seymour were in front of him. Dez '36 million dollar' Bryant in that rotation. He had good DTs. Seeing as Omar Gaither came in as the starter and the defense didn't miss McClain's presence should tell us something.

Watch the Bucs game. McClain is just a mess. No instincts, slow to react and once engaged, he's done. Doug Martin had all his big runs that day when McClain was on the field.


LOL The entire defense was terrible during that game. Burris missed about 8 tackles and Wheeler was getting worked over the middle. DLine got almost no pressure and the secondary got torched when Doug Martin wasn't running to the endzone. Bad example.


+1. Our DTs, especially Seymour, were horrid that day. There are virtually endless examples that could be used, that game isn't the best though.
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So, I take it no GM was willing to trade for him. Shocked, I am.
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LOL The entire defense was terrible during that game. Burris missed about 8 tackles and Wheeler was getting worked over the middle. DLine got almost no pressure and the secondary got torched when Doug Martin wasn't running to the endzone. Bad example.


It doesn't make McClain being responsible for 2 of Martin's long TD runs any less obvious.
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LOL The entire defense was terrible during that game. Burris missed about 8 tackles and Wheeler was getting worked over the middle. DLine got almost no pressure and the secondary got torched when Doug Martin wasn't running to the endzone. Bad example.


It doesn't make McClain being responsible for 2 of Martin's long TD runs any less obvious.




Why isn't Philip Adams responsible considering he whiffed on a tackle as well?
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LOL The entire defense was terrible during that game. Burris missed about 8 tackles and Wheeler was getting worked over the middle. DLine got almost no pressure and the secondary got torched when Doug Martin wasn't running to the endzone. Bad example.


It doesn't make McClain being responsible for 2 of Martin's long TD runs any less obvious.




Why isn't Philip Adams responsible considering he whiffed on a tackle as well?


CBs are the most vital position to stopping the run, I always say.
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LOL The entire defense was terrible during that game. Burris missed about 8 tackles and Wheeler was getting worked over the middle. DLine got almost no pressure and the secondary got torched when Doug Martin wasn't running to the endzone. Bad example.


It doesn't make McClain being responsible for 2 of Martin's long TD runs any less obvious.




Why isn't Philip Adams responsible considering he whiffed on a tackle as well?


CBs are the most vital position to stopping the run, I always say.




No matter what position a player is in on defensive a guy should be able to make a simply one vs one tackle.
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LOL The entire defense was terrible during that game. Burris missed about 8 tackles and Wheeler was getting worked over the middle. DLine got almost no pressure and the secondary got torched when Doug Martin wasn't running to the endzone. Bad example.


It doesn't make McClain being responsible for 2 of Martin's long TD runs any less obvious.




Why isn't Philip Adams responsible considering he whiffed on a tackle as well?


We already had that discussion before (about a different play though). No matter how much you want to have someone else share the responsibility to defend your boy, McClain screwing it up wasn't impacted by Adams. So yes, McClain was responsible.

I can't believe you're still defending the bum btw. Let it go.
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LOL The entire defense was terrible during that game. Burris missed about 8 tackles and Wheeler was getting worked over the middle. DLine got almost no pressure and the secondary got torched when Doug Martin wasn't running to the endzone. Bad example.


It doesn't make McClain being responsible for 2 of Martin's long TD runs any less obvious.




Why isn't Philip Adams responsible considering he whiffed on a tackle as well?


We already had that discussion before (about a different play though). No matter how much you want to have someone else share the responsibility to defend your boy, McClain screwing it up wasn't impacted by Adams. So yes, McClain was responsible.

I can't believe you're still defending the bum btw. Let it go.




I'm not defending him, I just think the logic that one person is reponsbile for a TD when at least 2 other players missed a tackle is pretty dumb. I'd defend Adams and Giorando if someone said they were to blame for the TDs that day as well.
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Silver&Black88 wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
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LOL The entire defense was terrible during that game. Burris missed about 8 tackles and Wheeler was getting worked over the middle. DLine got almost no pressure and the secondary got torched when Doug Martin wasn't running to the endzone. Bad example.


It doesn't make McClain being responsible for 2 of Martin's long TD runs any less obvious.




Why isn't Philip Adams responsible considering he whiffed on a tackle as well?


CBs are the most vital position to stopping the run, I always say.


every good run defense has cb's and safeties that can tackle. it takes a whole team to be good. we have had the softest, worst angle tacking secondary for what seems like an eternity.
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Raidin wrote:
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LOL The entire defense was terrible during that game. Burris missed about 8 tackles and Wheeler was getting worked over the middle. DLine got almost no pressure and the secondary got torched when Doug Martin wasn't running to the endzone. Bad example.


It doesn't make McClain being responsible for 2 of Martin's long TD runs any less obvious.




Why isn't Philip Adams responsible considering he whiffed on a tackle as well?


We already had that discussion before (about a different play though). No matter how much you want to have someone else share the responsibility to defend your boy, McClain screwing it up wasn't impacted by Adams. So yes, McClain was responsible.

I can't believe you're still defending the bum btw. Let it go.




I'm not defending him, I just think the logic that one person is reponsbile for a TD when at least 2 other players missed a tackle is pretty dumb. I'd defend Adams and Giorando if someone said they were to blame for the TDs that day as well.


So your logic is if more than one player is responsible, no one is responsible? Sounds clever.
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oakdb36 wrote:
Raidin wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Raidin wrote:
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LOL The entire defense was terrible during that game. Burris missed about 8 tackles and Wheeler was getting worked over the middle. DLine got almost no pressure and the secondary got torched when Doug Martin wasn't running to the endzone. Bad example.


It doesn't make McClain being responsible for 2 of Martin's long TD runs any less obvious.




Why isn't Philip Adams responsible considering he whiffed on a tackle as well?


We already had that discussion before (about a different play though). No matter how much you want to have someone else share the responsibility to defend your boy, McClain screwing it up wasn't impacted by Adams. So yes, McClain was responsible.

I can't believe you're still defending the bum btw. Let it go.




I'm not defending him, I just think the logic that one person is reponsbile for a TD when at least 2 other players missed a tackle is pretty dumb. I'd defend Adams and Giorando if someone said they were to blame for the TDs that day as well.


So your logic is if more than one player is responsible, no one is responsible? Sounds clever.



McClain is responsible for missing a tackle - thats all, same as Ross and Branch on that play.
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@AdamSchefter: Former Raiders LB Rolando McClain is nearing deal with Ravens. Two sides scheduled to talk today to see if they iron out unresolved issues.

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@AdamSchefter: Former Raiders LB Rolando McClain is nearing deal with Ravens. Two sides scheduled to talk today to see if they iron out unresolved issues.


http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=519901

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