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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why wouldn't the Jags want the best o-line possible when they draft whichever QB at #1 overall? I'd give Monroe the contract if I'm Jacksonville and keep Joeckel at RT.


Unless they were unhappy with Monroe's play.
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Monroe is really overrated on this forum he's okay nothing special.



This


It is NOT because he is now a Raven.

I never got the fascination for him, figured he was living off draft status.


Not true at all. Monroe is a top ten LT, extremely solid in all aspects. He started off his career slowly, but he's improved into a great player.


He is? There isn't much coverage of the Jags down here in southwest FL so I wasn't sure.
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jagman777 wrote:
nugpimpen wrote:
Phobixx wrote:
Monroe is really overrated on this forum he's okay nothing special.



This


It is NOT because he is now a Raven.

I never got the fascination for him, figured he was living off draft status.


Not true at all. Monroe is a top ten LT, extremely solid in all aspects. He started off his career slowly, but he's improved into a great player.


He is? There isn't much coverage of the Jags down here in southwest FL so I wasn't sure.


Yes, he is. He hasn't been a world beater, but he's a very solid LT.
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I Am Rodgers wrote:
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If I were the patriots or packers id offer a 5th for mjd. And if jax were smart they'd take it considering he will be a free agent

MJD isn't better than Ridley or Vereen (when healthy) at this point. Even Blount and Bolden have played well for the Pats this year.


The Packers just had back to back 100 yard rushers in Franklin and Starks and they have Lacy. Yeah, no need for MJD here either.


Shhh! Don't tell them that! Wink We want folks to think our running game still stinks. Laughing
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I hate how people ask the question "Why not re-sign Player X?" and completely disregard that the player has a say in the matter. It's very likely Monroe has expressed zero interest in re-signing and was going to be gone in the offseason anyway, which was pretty much ensured when they drafted Joeckel besides (I still think they should have went with Dion Jordan at the time but now not so much).

Jacksonville got what they could get and the Ravens got a really good LT. Seems like a win-win for both. I like McKinnie from his days in Minnesota but he's been far too inconsistent and his recent play and off-field troubles might be enough for the Ravens to just release him soon anyway and I don't blame them. Monroe is the better player and it'll be great if the Ravens can afford to re-sign him. He's young and worth the money. Acquiring him immediately improves their line.


If indeed Monroe was just going to walk after this season it was prudent of Jax to get something for him. I wonder why not a 3rd tho...
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I hate how people ask the question "Why not re-sign Player X?" and completely disregard that the player has a say in the matter. It's very likely Monroe has expressed zero interest in re-signing and was going to be gone in the offseason anyway, which was pretty much ensured when they drafted Joeckel besides (I still think they should have went with Dion Jordan at the time but now not so much).

Jacksonville got what they could get and the Ravens got a really good LT. Seems like a win-win for both. I like McKinnie from his days in Minnesota but he's been far too inconsistent and his recent play and off-field troubles might be enough for the Ravens to just release him soon anyway and I don't blame them. Monroe is the better player and it'll be great if the Ravens can afford to re-sign him. He's young and worth the money. Acquiring him immediately improves their line.


If indeed Monroe was just going to walk after this season it was prudent of Jax to get something for him. I wonder why not a 3rd tho...


Honestly, I'm not too sure of why it didn't seem like they held out more to see what they could get. From what I heard, they really weren't in talks with anyone but us. Only thing I can think of is they might have been giving him an option and with his wife from just outside of Baltimore, maybe this is where Monroe preferred? And the Jags figure if the compensation is close enough, they'd do him that favor?
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Is Baltimore keeping their line the same, except for Monroe starting over McKinnie?


Word on the street is we're trying to move McKinnie if we can. Otherwise, yes, he'll be Monroe's backup.


If McKinnie is as dreadful as you guys said in your team forum I doubt anybody is gonna want him.
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Is Baltimore keeping their line the same, except for Monroe starting over McKinnie?


Word on the street is we're trying to move McKinnie if we can. Otherwise, yes, he'll be Monroe's backup.


If McKinnie is as dreadful as you guys said in your team forum I doubt anybody is gonna want him.


He has been awful -- but for a team that's desperate, we might be able to get SOMETHING (even if it's conditional just to get his contract off our books). If not, he'll stay as a backup.
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Pugger wrote:
BrettFavre4 wrote:
I hate how people ask the question "Why not re-sign Player X?" and completely disregard that the player has a say in the matter. It's very likely Monroe has expressed zero interest in re-signing and was going to be gone in the offseason anyway, which was pretty much ensured when they drafted Joeckel besides (I still think they should have went with Dion Jordan at the time but now not so much).

Jacksonville got what they could get and the Ravens got a really good LT. Seems like a win-win for both. I like McKinnie from his days in Minnesota but he's been far too inconsistent and his recent play and off-field troubles might be enough for the Ravens to just release him soon anyway and I don't blame them. Monroe is the better player and it'll be great if the Ravens can afford to re-sign him. He's young and worth the money. Acquiring him immediately improves their line.


If indeed Monroe was just going to walk after this season it was prudent of Jax to get something for him. I wonder why not a 3rd tho...


Honestly, I'm not too sure of why it didn't seem like they held out more to see what they could get. From what I heard, they really weren't in talks with anyone but us. Only thing I can think of is they might have been giving him an option and with his wife from just outside of Baltimore, maybe this is where Monroe preferred? And the Jags figure if the compensation is close enough, they'd do him that favor?
Reports were that we talked to a lot of teams. The Browns made an offer that was lesser (wanted him at RT?) and we had contact with the Cards. Those are two specific ones I know of and there were reports that there was several teams we contacted.
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Well, Monroe already looks like a good trade for the Ravens. Played well today, despite only being with the team for a week. Kept Joe's blindside clean, for the most part, and looked infinitely better than Big Mac.

A couple of communications issues that will be ironed out, and unfortunately he can't do much about the sieve that we call Gino Gradkowski.

Hope the Ravens work out an extension with him.
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iPwn wrote:
Flaccomania wrote:
Pugger wrote:
BrettFavre4 wrote:
I hate how people ask the question "Why not re-sign Player X?" and completely disregard that the player has a say in the matter. It's very likely Monroe has expressed zero interest in re-signing and was going to be gone in the offseason anyway, which was pretty much ensured when they drafted Joeckel besides (I still think they should have went with Dion Jordan at the time but now not so much).

Jacksonville got what they could get and the Ravens got a really good LT. Seems like a win-win for both. I like McKinnie from his days in Minnesota but he's been far too inconsistent and his recent play and off-field troubles might be enough for the Ravens to just release him soon anyway and I don't blame them. Monroe is the better player and it'll be great if the Ravens can afford to re-sign him. He's young and worth the money. Acquiring him immediately improves their line.


If indeed Monroe was just going to walk after this season it was prudent of Jax to get something for him. I wonder why not a 3rd tho...


Honestly, I'm not too sure of why it didn't seem like they held out more to see what they could get. From what I heard, they really weren't in talks with anyone but us. Only thing I can think of is they might have been giving him an option and with his wife from just outside of Baltimore, maybe this is where Monroe preferred? And the Jags figure if the compensation is close enough, they'd do him that favor?
Reports were that we talked to a lot of teams. The Browns made an offer that was lesser (wanted him at RT?) and we had contact with the Cards. Those are two specific ones I know of and there were reports that there was several teams we contacted.


An offensive line of...

LT: Thomas
LG: Greco
C: Mack
RG: Schwartz
RT: Monroe

Would have been really, really good.

Oh well.
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Mancunian Raven wrote:
Well, Monroe already looks like a good trade for the Ravens. Played well today, despite only being with the team for a week. Kept Joe's blindside clean, for the most part, and looked infinitely better than Big Mac.

A couple of communications issues that will be ironed out, and unfortunately he can't do much about the sieve that we call Gino Gradkowski.

Hope the Ravens work out an extension with him.


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Wow!! Eugene Monroe duck/whiff leads to a sack and forced fumble right before the half.


Oh.
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Well, Monroe already looks like a good trade for the Ravens. Played well today, despite only being with the team for a week. Kept Joe's blindside clean, for the most part, and looked infinitely better than Big Mac.

A couple of communications issues that will be ironed out, and unfortunately he can't do much about the sieve that we call Gino Gradkowski.

Hope the Ravens work out an extension with him.


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Wow!! Eugene Monroe duck/whiff leads to a sack and forced fumble right before the half.


Oh.


That was about his only mistake in the game. Compare that to Big Mac trying to get Joe killed every week, and Monroe was like the second coming of Jonathan Ogden out there.

And I'm not going to blame Monroe for that, because it was a dumb decision to throw the ball with just those few seconds left in the half, given how inept the Ravens' offense had been for the preceding thirty minutes.
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Mancunian Raven wrote:
And I'm not going to blame Monroe for that, because it was a dumb decision to throw the ball with just those few seconds left in the half, given how inept the Ravens' offense had been for the preceding thirty minutes.
Bad play call and decision or not, you have to execute what's called and he didn't on that play. Can't just absolve him of it.
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Why wouldn't the Jags want the best o-line possible when they draft whichever QB at #1 overall? I'd give Monroe the contract if I'm Jacksonville and keep Joeckel at RT.


Unless they were unhappy with Monroe's play.


He was playing solid, but he isn't a great fit for this scheme. I think that's a main reason why he is gone. Plus, he probably wanted to be paid like a top 5-8 LT when he just wasn't in this scheme. They thought Joeckel could do a better job than him at LT and they liked Pasztor (which has played very, very solid so far and is only 22 years old).

It honestly makes perfect sense. We have holes at LEO, OLB, DT, C, and at least 1 guard spot to go with RB if MJD moves on. This puts us with at least 10 picks going into the draft which is good for a rebuilding team like this.

2 mid round picks is only going to help, especially with Dave Caldwell who is known for his scouting/drafting.
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