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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oof. Poor PIT. Wonder if they were also considering the Monroe deal but got beaten to the punch. Regardless it has to sting to trade for a subpar LT, have to pay him more than he's worth, then have him get injured before he really gets to play. All while a bitter rival picks up an above average LT for roughly the same price.


????

Our trade was for a conditional pick and we may not even have to give up a pick now depending on the conditions.

And pay him more? The Cardinals absorbed his guaranteed money and a chunk of his base salary, so we only paid him vet min for this season. With Monroe, not only did they pay more, but they will have to give him a lucrative extension if they want to keep him.

In terms of us trading for Monroe, beyond just the money issue, there is a good chance our front office wasnt even aware he was being shopped.

The Levi Brown trade was a bad move from the start, but in the end, it may have no real effect on us at all. Just be as if we never signed him...again, depending on the conditions.

This is flat out wrong.

The Ravens are paying Monroe less than the Steelers are paying Brown. Brown is being paid the veteran minimum at $840k, whereas the Ravens are only responsible for paying Monroe $715k. The Steelers are paying Brown $125k more than the Ravens are paying Monroe.

Furthermore we have no idea just how much Monroe is asking for. For all we know he might be willing to accept a little less to stay in a competitive situation, amongst other things. So lucrative could easily turn into reasonable- just like with Yanda's deal.

But if Monroe asks for too much we have the option of letting him walk and receiving a compensatory pick for our troubles.


Well, I wasnt aware of that, but my main point is that we likely wouldnt be able to afford him long term.

And depending on how Monroe looks the rest of this year, your feelings on him taking less is wishful thinking at best. Teams are far more willing to overpay for quality OTs than guards. He might be willing to take a LITTLE less, but its not going to be anything notable, especially if he finishes this year strong.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FourThreeMafia wrote:
diamondbull424 wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
Oof. Poor PIT. Wonder if they were also considering the Monroe deal but got beaten to the punch. Regardless it has to sting to trade for a subpar LT, have to pay him more than he's worth, then have him get injured before he really gets to play. All while a bitter rival picks up an above average LT for roughly the same price.


????

Our trade was for a conditional pick and we may not even have to give up a pick now depending on the conditions.

And pay him more? The Cardinals absorbed his guaranteed money and a chunk of his base salary, so we only paid him vet min for this season. With Monroe, not only did they pay more, but they will have to give him a lucrative extension if they want to keep him.

In terms of us trading for Monroe, beyond just the money issue, there is a good chance our front office wasnt even aware he was being shopped.

The Levi Brown trade was a bad move from the start, but in the end, it may have no real effect on us at all. Just be as if we never signed him...again, depending on the conditions.

This is flat out wrong.

The Ravens are paying Monroe less than the Steelers are paying Brown. Brown is being paid the veteran minimum at $840k, whereas the Ravens are only responsible for paying Monroe $715k. The Steelers are paying Brown $125k more than the Ravens are paying Monroe.

Furthermore we have no idea just how much Monroe is asking for. For all we know he might be willing to accept a little less to stay in a competitive situation, amongst other things. So lucrative could easily turn into reasonable- just like with Yanda's deal.

But if Monroe asks for too much we have the option of letting him walk and receiving a compensatory pick for our troubles.


Well, I wasnt aware of that, but my main point is that we likely wouldnt be able to afford him long term.

And depending on how Monroe looks the rest of this year, your feelings on him taking less is wishful thinking at best. Teams are far more willing to overpay for quality OTs than guards. He might be willing to take a LITTLE less, but its not going to be anything notable, especially if he finishes this year strong.



Well if that's the case and we have to pay to keep a high-quality LT, then I think Ozzie will be more than happy to do that. And I think we gain additional leverage in the situation via the trade considering we now control him via the franchise tag.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelers aren't losing a pick in this deal.

Arizona also offered up a conditional pick in this deal as well, so if anything with Brown going down and not ever playing a single snap the Steelers might get an extra 7th.
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FourThreeMafia wrote:
diamondbull424 wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
Oof. Poor PIT. Wonder if they were also considering the Monroe deal but got beaten to the punch. Regardless it has to sting to trade for a subpar LT, have to pay him more than he's worth, then have him get injured before he really gets to play. All while a bitter rival picks up an above average LT for roughly the same price.


????

Our trade was for a conditional pick and we may not even have to give up a pick now depending on the conditions.

And pay him more? The Cardinals absorbed his guaranteed money and a chunk of his base salary, so we only paid him vet min for this season. With Monroe, not only did they pay more, but they will have to give him a lucrative extension if they want to keep him.

In terms of us trading for Monroe, beyond just the money issue, there is a good chance our front office wasnt even aware he was being shopped.

The Levi Brown trade was a bad move from the start, but in the end, it may have no real effect on us at all. Just be as if we never signed him...again, depending on the conditions.

This is flat out wrong.

The Ravens are paying Monroe less than the Steelers are paying Brown. Brown is being paid the veteran minimum at $840k, whereas the Ravens are only responsible for paying Monroe $715k. The Steelers are paying Brown $125k more than the Ravens are paying Monroe.

Furthermore we have no idea just how much Monroe is asking for. For all we know he might be willing to accept a little less to stay in a competitive situation, amongst other things. So lucrative could easily turn into reasonable- just like with Yanda's deal.

But if Monroe asks for too much we have the option of letting him walk and receiving a compensatory pick for our troubles.


Well, I wasnt aware of that, but my main point is that we likely wouldnt be able to afford him long term.

And depending on how Monroe looks the rest of this year, your feelings on him taking less is wishful thinking at best. Teams are far more willing to overpay for quality OTs than guards. He might be willing to take a LITTLE less, but its not going to be anything notable, especially if he finishes this year strong.


So would you have wanted Monroe now 43M? Even if he signed elsewhere next year, there would be a pick rewarded. Maybe franchise QB would plead for the team to keep the quality LT as well? Maybe franchise QB would renegotiate a friendly deal after finally having a good LT for the first time in a while (Starks played well at time though) .
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, this season just keeps getting worse...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly when I heard this news I couldn't help but think the Steelers OL is somehow cursed.

I've never seen a team suffer so many offensive line injuries over such a string of years as I've seen with the Steelers... And the fact that Brown didn't even take a snap before getting hurt only makes this all the more... Weird.

Maybe the Madden curse has been transferred to their OL... Or maybe its the curse of Alan Faneca. Laughing

But really, I'm not a fan of the Steelers and even I feel bad for them. It's just too much.
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3rivers wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
diamondbull424 wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
Silver&Black88 wrote:
Oof. Poor PIT. Wonder if they were also considering the Monroe deal but got beaten to the punch. Regardless it has to sting to trade for a subpar LT, have to pay him more than he's worth, then have him get injured before he really gets to play. All while a bitter rival picks up an above average LT for roughly the same price.


????

Our trade was for a conditional pick and we may not even have to give up a pick now depending on the conditions.

And pay him more? The Cardinals absorbed his guaranteed money and a chunk of his base salary, so we only paid him vet min for this season. With Monroe, not only did they pay more, but they will have to give him a lucrative extension if they want to keep him.

In terms of us trading for Monroe, beyond just the money issue, there is a good chance our front office wasnt even aware he was being shopped.

The Levi Brown trade was a bad move from the start, but in the end, it may have no real effect on us at all. Just be as if we never signed him...again, depending on the conditions.

This is flat out wrong.

The Ravens are paying Monroe less than the Steelers are paying Brown. Brown is being paid the veteran minimum at $840k, whereas the Ravens are only responsible for paying Monroe $715k. The Steelers are paying Brown $125k more than the Ravens are paying Monroe.

Furthermore we have no idea just how much Monroe is asking for. For all we know he might be willing to accept a little less to stay in a competitive situation, amongst other things. So lucrative could easily turn into reasonable- just like with Yanda's deal.

But if Monroe asks for too much we have the option of letting him walk and receiving a compensatory pick for our troubles.


Well, I wasnt aware of that, but my main point is that we likely wouldnt be able to afford him long term.

And depending on how Monroe looks the rest of this year, your feelings on him taking less is wishful thinking at best. Teams are far more willing to overpay for quality OTs than guards. He might be willing to take a LITTLE less, but its not going to be anything notable, especially if he finishes this year strong.


So would you have wanted Monroe now 43M? Even if he signed elsewhere next year, there would be a pick rewarded. Maybe franchise QB would plead for the team to keep the quality LT as well? Maybe franchise QB would renegotiate a friendly deal after finally having a good LT for the first time in a while (Starks played well at time though) .


I dont have any real feelings on the matter.

I wouldve absolutely rather had Monroe than Brown if thats what youre asking, but with our luck with OLine, Monroe either wouldve sucked for us, gotten hurt, or wouldve been good enough to warrant a payday we couldnt give him.
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How often, let's be honest, are players that are as good as Monroe or better willing to "accept less to stay with a competitive team"?

Not very often, so that arguement right there can be virtually thrown out the window. There's no denying the Ravens got the better LT, the thing is, they also got the more expensive one in the end, because it might not cost more this season but it will cost more in the long run.
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How often, let's be honest, are players that are as good as Monroe or better willing to "accept less to stay with a competitive team"?
There's usually a few reasons that they do. Winning Super Bowls, which he hasn't been around for; having played there a long time, not the case; and it being their hometown, which the area is his wife's hometown. There's a possibility that he takes less to keep his wife near her family, but it's not necessarily something that fans should count one, sure.
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iPwn wrote:
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How often, let's be honest, are players that are as good as Monroe or better willing to "accept less to stay with a competitive team"?
There's usually a few reasons that they do. Winning Super Bowls, which he hasn't been around for; having played there a long time, not the case; and it being their hometown, which the area is his wife's hometown. There's a possibility that he takes less to keep his wife near her family, but it's not necessarily something that fans should count one, sure.


You have valid points here, I think the one area that it gives us a clear advantage in terms of resigning him and not having to pay full open bidding-style FA dollars is that we can tag him and negotiate with him exclusively, rather than having to potentially outbid 31 other clubs.
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LTF wrote:
Steelers aren't losing a pick in this deal.

Arizona also offered up a conditional pick in this deal as well, so if anything with Brown going down and not ever playing a single snap the Steelers might get an extra 7th.


This is wrong. It was a traditional pick swap from what I understand. Ex: Cards give up a 7th and get the Steelers 6th round pick. The conditions weren't met so no picks will be exchanged.
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