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vikingshomer
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| Cutler, like Romo, are prime examples of boom or bust QBs. At times they will look like the best QB in the league only the week after look horrible. He isn't very consistent. |
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Ring Worm Sherm
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Yikes. Sorry bears fans. No clue what this guy has done to deserve this
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FirstDownFaulk
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The Jay Cutler illusion continues......
hahaha
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Malik
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| l3lind golfer wrote: | | There are 32 starting QBs in the league. Cutler is closer to the 15 range than he is to the top 5. He's an average QB, the Bears will be a mediocre team with him. |
It's not even that he's average. But he's the destructive type of average that constantly makes bad throws and turns over the ball. He can't play within himself. At least with another average QB like Alex Smith he can keep you in a game and not mess it up. |
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FourThreeMafia
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| Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Malik wrote: | | l3lind golfer wrote: | | There are 32 starting QBs in the league. Cutler is closer to the 15 range than he is to the top 5. He's an average QB, the Bears will be a mediocre team with him. |
It's not even that he's average. But he's the destructive type of average that constantly makes bad throws and turns over the ball. He can't play within himself. At least with another average QB like Alex Smith he can keep you in a game and not mess it up. |
Good assessment.
I agree.
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He's like Carson Palmer with a little more speed. Opposing teams probably look forward to playing against Cutler, but don't like playing against his wr's.
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da_bears6
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Everyone laughed at the Ryan contract, everyone laughed at the Flacco contract, everyone laughed at the Romo contract, everyone laughed at the Stafford extension, everyone laughed at the Cutler contract.
How long until people realize this is the reality of the NFL right now. Mid-tier QBs will continue to make 16-18mil a year(or 21 if you're Matt Ryan). People can say it's Rodgers money but it's not. This is a 3year/54mil contract with the ability to keep him after year 3 or let him go with no cap penalty. Had to pay a little more because it is only 3 years long.
Basically franchised him for 3 years without the penalty for franchising a player in consecutive years. |
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Joyride15
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| da_bears6 wrote: | Everyone laughed at the Ryan contract, everyone laughed at the Flacco contract, everyone laughed at the Romo contract, everyone laughed at the Stafford extension, everyone laughed at the Cutler contract.
How long until people realize this is the reality of the NFL right now. Mid-tier QBs will continue to make 16-18mil a year(or 21 if you're Matt Ryan). People can say it's Rodgers money but it's not. This is a 3year/54mil contract with the ability to keep him after year 3 or let him go with no cap penalty. Had to pay a little more because it is only 3 years long.
Basically franchised him for 3 years without the penalty for franchising a player in consecutive years. |
... and not one of those teams made the playoffs this year. Hard to allocate that much of your team's cap to one player unless they are ELITE.
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da_bears6
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| Joyride15 wrote: | | da_bears6 wrote: | Everyone laughed at the Ryan contract, everyone laughed at the Flacco contract, everyone laughed at the Romo contract, everyone laughed at the Stafford extension, everyone laughed at the Cutler contract.
How long until people realize this is the reality of the NFL right now. Mid-tier QBs will continue to make 16-18mil a year(or 21 if you're Matt Ryan). People can say it's Rodgers money but it's not. This is a 3year/54mil contract with the ability to keep him after year 3 or let him go with no cap penalty. Had to pay a little more because it is only 3 years long.
Basically franchised him for 3 years without the penalty for franchising a player in consecutive years. |
... and not one of those teams made the playoffs this year. Hard to allocate that much of your team's cap to one player unless they are ELITE. |
Agreed, but that's the nature of the beast right now. Teams would rather over pay 2-3mil a year for a QB they can possibly win with rather then start over with a rookie and roll the dice. I said this before at least they know what Cutler is at his worst with a draft pick they have no idea. |
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Flaccomania
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| Joyride15 wrote: | | da_bears6 wrote: | Everyone laughed at the Ryan contract, everyone laughed at the Flacco contract, everyone laughed at the Romo contract, everyone laughed at the Stafford extension, everyone laughed at the Cutler contract.
How long until people realize this is the reality of the NFL right now. Mid-tier QBs will continue to make 16-18mil a year(or 21 if you're Matt Ryan). People can say it's Rodgers money but it's not. This is a 3year/54mil contract with the ability to keep him after year 3 or let him go with no cap penalty. Had to pay a little more because it is only 3 years long.
Basically franchised him for 3 years without the penalty for franchising a player in consecutive years. |
... and not one of those teams made the playoffs this year. Hard to allocate that much of your team's cap to one player unless they are ELITE. |
At least in terms of Flacco, his contract had 0 impact on this season seeing as his cap hit was actually lower than it was in their SB winning season.
Not to mention, where we lost the most players was on defense and that unit actually improved. Our offense was anemic and the only guy we lost to FA was Boldin which had some impact, yes, but moreso to do with the fact that the guy in line to replicate his production, Pitta, was out most of the season. That, coupled with Gradkowski failing as a replacement for Birk, Osemele going down for the season, and the overall play of the OL falling off a cliff, is why we missed the playoffs.
So, there's a lot of reasons as to why the Ravens performed badly this season, but Joe's contract is not one of them.
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | Joyride15 wrote: | | da_bears6 wrote: | Everyone laughed at the Ryan contract, everyone laughed at the Flacco contract, everyone laughed at the Romo contract, everyone laughed at the Stafford extension, everyone laughed at the Cutler contract.
How long until people realize this is the reality of the NFL right now. Mid-tier QBs will continue to make 16-18mil a year(or 21 if you're Matt Ryan). People can say it's Rodgers money but it's not. This is a 3year/54mil contract with the ability to keep him after year 3 or let him go with no cap penalty. Had to pay a little more because it is only 3 years long.
Basically franchised him for 3 years without the penalty for franchising a player in consecutive years. |
... and not one of those teams made the playoffs this year. Hard to allocate that much of your team's cap to one player unless they are ELITE. |
At least in terms of Flacco, his contract had 0 impact on this season seeing as his cap hit was actually lower than it was in their SB winning season.
Not to mention, where we lost the most players was on defense and that unit actually improved. Our offense was anemic and the only guy we lost to FA was Boldin which had some impact, yes, but moreso to do with the fact that the guy in line to replicate his production, Pitta, was out most of the season. That, coupled with Gradkowski failing as a replacement for Birk, Osemele going down for the season, and the overall play of the OL falling off a cliff, is why we missed the playoffs.
So, there's a lot of reasons as to why the Ravens performed badly this season, but Joe's contract is not one of them. |
Phil Emery did that on purpose. Even AFTER the Cutler contract, with the expected release of Julius Peppers, Chicago will have ~$44 million in cap space. Now compare them in 2-3 years down the road... Jay's cap hits in 2016 and 2017 are $15 and $16 million compared to $28.5 and $31 million in Flaccos contract.
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Flaccomania
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| pigsooie5 wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | Joyride15 wrote: | | da_bears6 wrote: | Everyone laughed at the Ryan contract, everyone laughed at the Flacco contract, everyone laughed at the Romo contract, everyone laughed at the Stafford extension, everyone laughed at the Cutler contract.
How long until people realize this is the reality of the NFL right now. Mid-tier QBs will continue to make 16-18mil a year(or 21 if you're Matt Ryan). People can say it's Rodgers money but it's not. This is a 3year/54mil contract with the ability to keep him after year 3 or let him go with no cap penalty. Had to pay a little more because it is only 3 years long.
Basically franchised him for 3 years without the penalty for franchising a player in consecutive years. |
... and not one of those teams made the playoffs this year. Hard to allocate that much of your team's cap to one player unless they are ELITE. |
At least in terms of Flacco, his contract had 0 impact on this season seeing as his cap hit was actually lower than it was in their SB winning season.
Not to mention, where we lost the most players was on defense and that unit actually improved. Our offense was anemic and the only guy we lost to FA was Boldin which had some impact, yes, but moreso to do with the fact that the guy in line to replicate his production, Pitta, was out most of the season. That, coupled with Gradkowski failing as a replacement for Birk, Osemele going down for the season, and the overall play of the OL falling off a cliff, is why we missed the playoffs.
So, there's a lot of reasons as to why the Ravens performed badly this season, but Joe's contract is not one of them. |
Phil Emery did that on purpose. Even AFTER the Cutler contract, with the expected release of Julius Peppers, Chicago will have ~$44 million in cap space. Now compare them in 2-3 years down the road... Jay's cap hits in 2016 and 2017 are $15 and $16 million compared to $28.5 and $31 million in Flaccos contract. |
That has nothing to do with anything I mentioned, but ok. Nothing I mentioned compared Flacco's contract to Cutler's, simply clarifying an incorrectly stated point by the poster I quoted.
As for Flacco's big hits, it's structured that way for a reason (much like Cutler's) -- after 3 years, the contract will be restructured one way or another whether he's extended or he's cut. The Ravens will never face a $28.5 cap hit for Flacco. They'll either cut him and take a huge hit in 2016 (though still save cap space) or they'll extend him and lower that hit substantially. It's all planned out to a "T".
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IronMike84
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I'm not sure when getting paid like Romo or Stafford became a compliment. Obviously Cutler's deal used Romo's as precedent. The next mid-tier QB to get a deal will use Cutler's as precedent.
McCown had his struggles in Trestman's offense, same as Cutler. He looked good because he took care of the ball and because Trestman has a long history of getting the most out of journeymen QBs.
One thing I've noticed in two years of watching how Phil Emery works is that he values potential upside quite a bit, which is likely why Cutler was given an extension. They're willing to take the risks because the ceiling is higher.
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LikesHAM
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| Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Jay Cutler's ceiling is where he is now. He isn't magically going to start getting better as a player this late into his career. |
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da_bears6
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| LikesHAM wrote: | | Jay Cutler's ceiling is where he is now. He isn't magically going to start getting better as a player this late into his career. |
He doesn't really need to get any better. He just needs a coach and OC who can call plays, design an offense and use him to his abilities. Something he never had since his time in Denver. Turner, Martz and Tice were all a jokes of a OC. It's no coincidence none of those guys are no longer in the NFL. |
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