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FourThreeMafia


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malik wrote:
FourThreeMafia wrote:
Malik wrote:
The LBC wrote:
Ream me all you want over it, but the fact that Jerome Bettis (and I say this as someone that used to watch him play live when he was a Ram) could get into the Hall before Don Coryell is pretty sickening.


Jerome Bettis is never getting in.


If Curtis Martin got in, Jerome Bettis will too.


Doubt it. He's the prime example of a stat accumulator who stayed in the season several years past being good to solely exist as a giant goalline running. I mean 5 attempts, 1 yard gained, but with 3 touchdowns? He was a specialist for like 1/3 of his career and was in a 2 back system for over 40% of his career.


And even with being in a two back system and being relegated to goal line duties his last 2 years, he still had close to same stats as Martin....and despite playing 2 more years than Martin, Martin had more carries.

Curtis Martin only has big stats because he ran so much. Bettis may or may not be HOF worthy, but there was absolutely nothing special about Martin or notably better about him.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is none sense lol.


Wow...you just made yourself look stupid in the first sentence.

Not a good start for you.

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Martin > Bettis everytime.


Only to Jets fans.

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Bettis was a NOBODY before he landed with the Steelers. Martin's play was always respected.


LMAO.

Yeah....that NOBODY ran for 1429 yards as a rookie and won rookie of the year with the Rams. Then Rich Brooks came in and made idiiotic decisions, including trading Bettis in favor of drafting Lawrence Phillips.

Its okay though....wouldnt expect a 9 year old to know that.

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Not to mention Martin never punked out late in his career, he was setting records.


Punked out?

Because his knees were shot and he was limited?

And yet he still had similar bulk and efficiency stats to Martin in the end. Hmm.

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Bettis was fat and made use of it well after his career was over. He was blessed with a frame to make use of it.


Fat, yet known for having some of the most nimble feet in the league.

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We use a Bettis on the goalline. His name is Sheldon Richardson.


Okay guy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was auto correct on my phone. I'm a screenwriter, I understand the whole grammar thing. Thanks.

As far as the Jets comment, same could be said about you. We both voiced our opinions, we disagree. Your argument is weak and the other guy is already in and you're bitter. Leaving this on facts.

Enjoy Playoff Sunday!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim brown, Kevin Greene., Charles Haley Derrick brooks, Walter jones..
A travesty that Terrell Davis still hasn't made it on and is one of the best if not the best post season running backs of all time. Not to mention he had 2000 yards and missed 8 waurters that season. It is what it is though
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlaqOptic wrote:
game3525 wrote:
JammerHammer21 wrote:
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I have mad respect for Bettis and the longevity of his production but he never won a rushing title. I know he is a bit of a media darling but I don't understand how he is a finalist.


6th All-Time in Rushing with only 1 player currently looking like they even have a chance of surpassing him.


3.9 YPC....


Yeah, I think Bettis belongs in the hall of "very good", I feel the same way about Curtis Martin as well. Honestly, with Marshall in, the only two RBs I would vote for are LT and AD.


And that's my issue. If Martin is in - second ballot even - then Bettis certainly should be.


Martin won a rushing title. Bettis never did. That's that hair of distinction that seperates them to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broncos_OTM wrote:
Tim brown, Kevin Greene., Charles Haley Derrick brooks, Walter jones..
A travesty that Terrell Davis still hasn't made it on and is one of the best if not the best post season running backs of all time. Not to mention he had 2000 yards and missed 8 waurters that season. It is what it is though


It isn't a travesty. Take off the blue and orange shades man. Davis was great, but his career was too short. Maybe one day he makes it, but he's hardly the one to get worked up about.

It's more appropriate to question why Randy Gradishar, Karl Mecklenburg, and Steve Atwater haven't gotten in yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

broncos67 wrote:
Broncos_OTM wrote:
Tim brown, Kevin Greene., Charles Haley Derrick brooks, Walter jones..
A travesty that Terrell Davis still hasn't made it on and is one of the best if not the best post season running backs of all time. Not to mention he had 2000 yards and missed 8 waurters that season. It is what it is though


It isn't a travesty. Take off the blue and orange shades man. Davis was great, but his career was too short. Maybe one day he makes it, but he's hardly the one to get worked up about.

It's more appropriate to question why Randy Gradishar, Karl Mecklenburg, and Steve Atwater haven't gotten in yet.


Basically, all 3 *now* are hovering right around the cutoff as to whether a player gets in or not at their position (Gradishar probably should've gotten in when he was eligible). The problem is that a fair number of current (or recently retired) players have similar or more accolades. I don't think that they will ever get in.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

broncos67 wrote:
Broncos_OTM wrote:
Tim brown, Kevin Greene., Charles Haley Derrick brooks, Walter jones..
A travesty that Terrell Davis still hasn't made it on and is one of the best if not the best post season running backs of all time. Not to mention he had 2000 yards and missed 8 waurters that season. It is what it is though


It isn't a travesty. Take off the blue and orange shades man. Davis was great, but his career was too short. Maybe one day he makes it, but he's hardly the one to get worked up about.i

It's more appropriate to question why Randy Gradishar, Karl Mecklenburg, and Steve Atwater haven't gotten in yet.
besides the Superbowl and the hit on christian okoye I thought Dennis smith was the better safety.randy g was before my time. So I can't argue either way. And while the snow goose is my all time favorite bronco. He wasn't ever the best linebacker in the leuage.

While he did have a short career(TD). He was the best running back in his time in the league something I like to factor in.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol at the lack of kevin greene on people's lists

dude should easily be a lock in this class. 160 sacks? fahgetabowtit
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sdrawkcab321 wrote:
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What I'd like to know is exactly what Tony Dungy did that Bill Cowher did not.


Coach Peyton manning. That's about it


Classic internet argument, Cowher or Dungy? How about either one?

Tony Dungy
Took two franchises with a sketchy playoff history and made them both perennial powers. Fan expectations are very high in TB and Indy post-Dungy. BTW both teams went to the SB the season after he left.
139-69
TB 4 playoffs in six seasons
Indy playoffs every season, one SB win, one AFC championship game and three divisional games at height of NEP power.

Bill Cowher
149-90-1
15 seasons two SB’s 1-1 playoffs in ten seasons
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sn0mm1s wrote:
broncos67 wrote:
Broncos_OTM wrote:
Tim brown, Kevin Greene., Charles Haley Derrick brooks, Walter jones..
A travesty that Terrell Davis still hasn't made it on and is one of the best if not the best post season running backs of all time. Not to mention he had 2000 yards and missed 8 waurters that season. It is what it is though


It isn't a travesty. Take off the blue and orange shades man. Davis was great, but his career was too short. Maybe one day he makes it, but he's hardly the one to get worked up about.

It's more appropriate to question why Randy Gradishar, Karl Mecklenburg, and Steve Atwater haven't gotten in yet.


Basically, all 3 *now* are hovering right around the cutoff as to whether a player gets in or not at their position (Gradishar probably should've gotten in when he was eligible). The problem is that a fair number of current (or recently retired) players have similar or more accolades. I don't think that they will ever get in.


Life is unfair...lots of old Bears from the 1960's to '80's won't get a real look. As the Bears 3rd winningest coach said, too many old Bears...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 2014 Hall of Fame Finalists Announced Reply with quote

Morten Andersen
Jerome Bettis
Derrick Brooks
Tim Brown
Eddie DeBartolo
Tony Dungy
Kevin Greene
Charles Haley
Marvin Harrison
Walter Jones
John Lynch
Andre Reed
Will Shields
Michael Strahan
Aeneas Williams

Weak class IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 2014 Hall of Fame Finalists Announced Reply with quote

_Iverson38 wrote:
Morten Andersen
Jerome Bettis
Derrick Brooks
Tim Brown
Eddie DeBartolo
Tony Dungy
Kevin Greene
Charles Haley
Marvin Harrison
Walter Jones
John Lynch
Andre Reed
Will Shields
Michael Strahan
Aeneas Williams

Weak class IMO.

Walter Jones? Will Shields? Kevin Greene? Tim Brown Weak? I don't even...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you need Tim Brown to bolster your argument, then yes, it's a weak class.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iverson38 wrote:
If you need Tim Brown to bolster your argument, then yes, it's a weak class.


Tim Brown? The guy with nine consecutive 1000 yard receiving seasons? 9 pro bowls? Record 10 consecutive seasons with at least 75 receptions? Tied record for consecutive seasons with at least 5 tds scored at 11? Retired with second most yards in NFL history. Read that....2nd most. #rd most receptions and 3rd most tds. All this while playing with the lesser than in the qb department until he hooked up with Rich Gannon at the very end of his career.

So no, I don't think his name sullies the class at all. Seriously though what is your argument for leaving off Walter Jones?
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