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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:35 pm    Post subject: Jshow's first 2015 mock.... 3 rounds Reply with quote

Using WalterFootball's draft order. Prediction mock, not necessarily what I think teams "should" do. If I messed up a pick or two because of trades, go easy on me.

1. New York Jets - Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford
2. Jacksonville Jaguars - Devonte Fields, DE, TCU
3. Cleveland Browns - Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama
4. Oakland Raiders - Ronald Darby, CB, FSU
5. Cleveland Browns - Leonard Williams, DE/DT, USC
6. Dallas Cowboys - Mario Edwards Jr., DE/DT, FSU
7. Miami Dolphins - Todd Gurley, RB, UGA
8. New York Giants - Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M
9. Carolina Panthers - Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa
10. Kansas City Chiefs - Jameis Winston, QB, FSU
11. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska
12. Washington Redskins - Ellis McCarthy, DT, UCLA
13. Minnesota Vikings - Landon Collins, S, Alabama
14. Detroit Lions - Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
15. Tennessee Titans - Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA
16. Houston Texans - La'el Collins, OT, LSU
17. Baltimore Ravens - Cameron Erving, OT, FSU
18. Atlanta Falcons - Dante Fowler Jr., DE, Florida
19. St. Louis Rams - Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson
20. Arizona Cardinals - Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
21. Cincinnati Bengals - Karl Joseph, S, WVU
22. Pittsburgh Steelers - Devin Funchess, WR/TE, Michigan
23. Philadelphia Eagles - Ifo Ekpre-Olumo, CB, Oregon
24. Chicago Bears - Hroniss Grasu, C, Oregon
25. San Diego Chargers - Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin
26. Indianapolis Colts - Cody Prewitt, S, Ole Miss
27. Green Bay Packers - Denzel Perryman, LB, Miami
28. Seattle Seahawks - DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville
29. New England Patriots - Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State
30. New Orleans Saints - Shaq Thompson, LB/SS, Washigton
31. Denver Broncos - Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State
32. San Francisco 49ers - PJ Williams, CB, FSU

33. New York Jets - Mike Davis, RB, South Carolina
34. Jacksonville Jaguars - Marcus Peters, CB, Washington
35. Cleveland Browns - Jeremy Cash, S, Duke
36. Oakland Raiders - Lorenzo Mauldin, DE, Louisville
37. Buffalo Bills - Laken Tomlinson, OG, Duke
38. Dallas Cowboys - Ramik Wilson, LB, UGA
39. Miami Dolphins - Karlos Williams, RB, FSU
40. New York Giants - Shawn Oakman, DE, Baylor
41. Carolina Panthers - Stefon Diggs, WR, Maryland
42. Kansas City Chiefs - Carl Davis, DT, Iowa
43. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Isaac Seumalo, C/OG, Oregon State
44. Washington Redskins - Josh Shaw, S, USC
45. Minnesota Vikings - Benardrick McKinney, LB, Mississippi State
46. Detroit Lions - Reese Dismukes, C/OG, Auburn
47. Tennessee Titans - Danny Shelton, DT, Washington
48. Houston Texans - Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
49. Baltimore Ravens - Nelson Agholor, WR, USC
50. Atlanta Falcons - Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State
51. St. Louis Rams - Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor
52. Arizona Cardinals - Nick O'Leary, TE, FSU
53. Cincinnati Bengals - Stephone Anthony, LB, Clemson
54. Pittsburgh Steelers - Quandre Diggs, CB, Texas
55. Philadelphia Eagles - Kyler Fackrell, OLB, Utah State
56. Chicago Bears - Braxton Deaver, TE, Duke
57. San Diego Chargers - Tre Jackson, OG, FSU
58. Indianapolis Colts - Lynden Trail, DE, Norfolk State
59. Green Bay Packers - Spencer Drango, OT, Baylor
60. Seattle Seahawks - Jamil Douglas, OG, ASU
61. New England Patriots - Carl Davis, DT, Iowa
62. New Orleans Saints - Shaquille Riddick, DE, WVU
63. Denver Broncos - Josue Matias, OG, FSU
64. San Francisco 49ers - Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford

65. New York Jets - Trae Waynes, CB, MSU
66. Jacksonville Jaguars - Landon Turner, OG, UNC
67. Cleveland Browns - Jamison Crowder, WR, Duke
68. Oakland Raiders - Hau'oli Kikaha, DE/OLB, Washington
69. Buffalo Bills - Jeff Heuerman, TE, Ohio State
70. Miami Dolphins - Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville
71. New York Giants - Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame
72. Carolina Panthers - Kurtis Drummond, S, Michigan State
73. Kansas City Chiefs - Derron Smith, S, Fresno State
74. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Donovan Smith, OT, Penn State
75. Washington Redskins - Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn
76. Minnesota Vikings - Kasen Williams, WR, Washington
77. Detroit Lions - Anthony Harris, S, UVA
78. Tennessee Titans - Michael Bennett, DT/DE, Ohio State
79. Houston Texans - TJ Yeldon, RB, Alabama
80. Baltimore Ravens - Wayne Lyons, CB, Stanford
81. Atlanta Falcons - Chris Hackett, S, TCU
82. St. Louis Rams - Demetrious Nicholson, CB, UVA
83. Arizona Cardinals - Josh Tupou, DT, Colorado
84. Cincinnati Bengals - Rashad Greene, WR, FSU
85. Pittsburgh Steelers - Eli Harold, DE/OLB, Virginia
86. Philadelphia Eagles - Kyshoen Jarrett, S, VA Tech
87. Chicago Bears - Tye Smith, CB, Towson
88. San Diego Chargers - Antwan Goodley, WR, Baylor
89. Indianapolis Colts - Eric Lefeld, OT, Cincinnati
90. Green Bay Packers - Tyler Kroft, TE, Rutgers
91. Seattle Seahawks - Bronson Kafausi, DE/OLB, BYU
92. New England Patriots - Charles Tuaau, DT, Texas A&M Commerce
93. New Orleans Saints - Arik Armstead, DE/DT, Oregon
94. Denver Broncos - AJ Johnson, ILB, Tennessee
95. San Francisco 49ers - Markus Golden, DE/OLB, Missouri


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know they aren't the top rated prospects but I really want the combo of Montgomery and Perryman. I think Perryman has Patrick Willis type potential and Montgomery is just a physical freak. I think he'll be the top rated WR at seasons end. Just my opinion
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first point is not at all related to the picks you made for the Jaguars but I think it has to be said. If the Jets are bad enough that they are picking #1, Geno and Vick are lost causes and a QB will most definitely need to be considered. A lot can change between now and the draft, but I think at this point Winston and Mariota are regarded highly enough as to have one of them making more sense than a LT for a team that has a pretty good one. Frankly, I think both of them are much too low in this mock. At this point they both seem like top 10 players.

As for the Jaguars, the pick in the first round is a good position although at this point I am not sure I like the player this much. Frankly I am not entirely convinced at this point any one of the LEO candidates warrants the #2 overall pick but I certainly like Calhoun from MSU and Beasley from Clemson a bit more for this defense. The CB in round 2 is another instance of position possibly being correct although I think there is the distinct possibility the secondary takes a significant jump forward this season to the point that CB actually is not such a pressing need. FS could prove to be a need in the backfield, so I could see that position being addressed here in the 2nd round. Finally, the Jaguars just spent a 3rd round pick on a RG and have a good LG that they picked up in free agency. I just question the rationale behind this, unless you expect the rookie to in one season prove himself to be worthless at RG.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the jets are picking 1st that means geno sucked it up and we will probably go QB if not in the 2nd round. We could go Amari Cooper in the 1st. Taking an OT first just seems kinda dumb

Also if Tampa Bay is picking that high I think they would go QB as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Jshow's first 2015 mock.... 3 rounds Reply with quote

jshowers wrote:
Using WalterFootball's draft order. Prediction mock, not necessarily what I think teams "should" do. If I messed up a pick or two because of trades, go easy on me.

Sean and this is where it doesn't make sense to me. What part of how San Diego has drafted or set themselves up for the 2015 draft so far leads you to believe that "value-at-position of need" drafter Tom Telesco is going to sink a 1st round pick into a RB when, by all accounts, Donald Brown was specifically signed for multiple years as an insurance policy for Mathews both this year and the next (even if 2015 is a year where Mathews is no longer a Charger)?

What kills this is that probably the biggest value/need matching goes literally one pick prior to ours with Grasu (Nick Hardwick's contract is up in 2015 and he's already toyed with the idea of retirement; his backup is on a single-year contract).

And Goodley just feels like a force-fit to satisfy a need. By your own admission in your eval of him, Goodley appears to be more athlete than football player. The Chargers under McCoy have been operating with much more of a timing-route-based passing offense which Goodley's current lack of refined route-running or versatility of a route-tree to his arsenal really hinder him in.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does everybody keep giving us a tackle? Laughing

I like the draft otherwise.
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the three positions you addressed in Arizona's draft were all addressed early in the 2014 draft...

ILB, CB, and WR should be Arizona's biggest needs in 2015.

I like the effort you put in this though
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucsfan333 wrote:
Why does everybody keep giving us a tackle? Laughing

I like the draft otherwise.


Because yours aren't very good Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Jshow's first 2015 mock.... 3 rounds Reply with quote

The LBC wrote:
jshowers wrote:
Using WalterFootball's draft order. Prediction mock, not necessarily what I think teams "should" do. If I messed up a pick or two because of trades, go easy on me.

Sean and this is where it doesn't make sense to me. What part of how San Diego has drafted or set themselves up for the 2015 draft so far leads you to believe that "value-at-position of need" drafter Tom Telesco is going to sink a 1st round pick into a RB when, by all accounts, Donald Brown was specifically signed for multiple years as an insurance policy for Mathews both this year and the next (even if 2015 is a year where Mathews is no longer a Charger)?

What kills this is that probably the biggest value/need matching goes literally one pick prior to ours with Grasu (Nick Hardwick's contract is up in 2015 and he's already toyed with the idea of retirement; his backup is on a single-year contract).

And Goodley just feels like a force-fit to satisfy a need. By your own admission in your eval of him, Goodley appears to be more athlete than football player. The Chargers under McCoy have been operating with much more of a timing-route-based passing offense which Goodley's current lack of refined route-running or versatility of a route-tree to his arsenal really hinder him in.


Thanks for the in-depth reply, LBC. May have been a little critical, though, for a 3 round mock in June Wink

I don't think you guys re-up with Matthews. Donald Brown is a "meh" talent despite how the FO may sugarcoat it. Gordon is special.... why not be happy with that?

I didn't take into account specific passing systems/principles, because again, this was a long task to write and admittedly I'm not an expert on the operating systems of each team and their nuances. Will keep in mind, though, that the Chargers prefer polish over athleticism when it comes to that spot.

Again, thanks for the response!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have Mariota listed twice and although I like Hundley, I like Petty and Mariota more especially in the 2nd round. Rather get a PR in the 1st with Beasley.
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ttitansfan4life wrote:
You have Mariota listed twice and although I like Hundley, I like Petty and Mariota more especially in the 2nd round. Rather get a PR in the 1st with Beasley.


Thanks. The 2nd Mariota was supposed to be Connor Cook to the Texans.

That would make three 1st round QBs and two 2nd round QBs.
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Not a huge fan of drafting a receiver in the second, and while I agree with the first round pick, I've given up hope that the Falcons will ever take a pass rusher in the first.

I'd imagine our draft will probably look like (again, really early, but if I had to guess):

1. TE
2. S
3. PR


Then again, who knows.
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JShowers quick question. I understand the Cooper pick but why the Williams pick ? Is it just BPA or do you think that will be a need for us ? Our DL depth is great i say our top needs would be WR, ILB, and S you could probably throw in OLB too because I don't think Kruger lives out his contract.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: Jshow's first 2015 mock.... 3 rounds Reply with quote

jshowers wrote:
The LBC wrote:
jshowers wrote:
Using WalterFootball's draft order. Prediction mock, not necessarily what I think teams "should" do. If I messed up a pick or two because of trades, go easy on me.

Sean and this is where it doesn't make sense to me. What part of how San Diego has drafted or set themselves up for the 2015 draft so far leads you to believe that "value-at-position of need" drafter Tom Telesco is going to sink a 1st round pick into a RB when, by all accounts, Donald Brown was specifically signed for multiple years as an insurance policy for Mathews both this year and the next (even if 2015 is a year where Mathews is no longer a Charger)?

What kills this is that probably the biggest value/need matching goes literally one pick prior to ours with Grasu (Nick Hardwick's contract is up in 2015 and he's already toyed with the idea of retirement; his backup is on a single-year contract).

And Goodley just feels like a force-fit to satisfy a need. By your own admission in your eval of him, Goodley appears to be more athlete than football player. The Chargers under McCoy have been operating with much more of a timing-route-based passing offense which Goodley's current lack of refined route-running or versatility of a route-tree to his arsenal really hinder him in.


Thanks for the in-depth reply, LBC. May have been a little critical, though, for a 3 round mock in June Wink

I don't think you guys re-up with Matthews. Donald Brown is a "meh" talent despite how the FO may sugarcoat it. Gordon is special.... why not be happy with that?

I didn't take into account specific passing systems/principles, because again, this was a long task to write and admittedly I'm not an expert on the operating systems of each team and their nuances. Will keep in mind, though, that the Chargers prefer polish over athleticism when it comes to that spot.

Again, thanks for the response!

I agree on the premature bit; my thought is just that we've seen more times than not that a good OL can make a middling RB look better much more often than the other way around. So the positional value in OL, particularly if both positions are deemed needs, is substantially more than RB is - and the longevity with the franchise tends to also be greater.

It's not a polish over athleticism as an all-encompassing philosophy, but they are (I feel fairly safe in saying after watching two drafts under this FO) very high on the "football player" types over unrefined pure athletes. It's such a too-oft-used term, and that's not to say that they haven't taken guys who are quite good athletes when they were available to them, but the "mentality" has appeared to take precedent over the "athletic ability" except when both were available.
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BeeperKing wrote:
Not a huge fan of drafting a receiver in the second, and while I agree with the first round pick, I've given up hope that the Falcons will ever take a pass rusher in the first.

I'd imagine our draft will probably look like (again, really early, but if I had to guess):

1. TE
2. S
3. PR


Then again, who knows.


Beeper i do have this question for you and Jshow. Fowler to me seems like much more of a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 olb and Vic Beasley seems much more like a 3-4 olb than a 4-3 DE.

With the Falcons mostly going 3-4 as their scheme now with Tyson Jackson, Paul Soilia, and Rashede Hageman as the 3 down lineman would it not make more sense to go Beasley in this situation of the 2 players since both are similar in talent but scheme fit goes much more to Beasley.

Even more so if you got this from walter rankings considering they don't even list Fowler as a 3-4 olb and only a 4-3 DE at the next level in their rankings.


I would also take a RB in the next 2 rounds somewhere to replace Jackson and be a good tandem with Freeman even over WR for sure im quite pleased at this point in time with our WR core of Julio, Roddy(Signing a new contract in the next few weeks), Harry Douglas, Devin Hester, Darius Johnson, and Drew Davis.

With the other pick would easily take a TE so with your draft i would have went something like this with who was available at each pick.

1st - Vic Beasley - 3-4 OLB Edge rusher

2nd - Nic k O' Learey -Te - This is a eash choice we have to get a replacement for Gonzo in this draft or FA and Nick is a great pick in the 2nd round. To give our offense that extra element and threat outside of WR. He is almost like a WR which you wanted to give us but he provides it at a much bigger position of need how can this not be the pick Smile

3rd - Yeldon or Marshall - I would trade up for Yeldon in this situation which we could do easiily with him falling so close to us. Falcons could give a 3rd and 5th to go get him for sure. But since im not sure if you do trades then i'll accept Marshall as a backup plan and a good change up to Freeman for the offense.
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