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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:35 pm    Post subject: Jshow's 2nd 2015 Mock - 4 Rounds Reply with quote

Using record and strength of schedule until the draft order begins to become finalized. A balance of my own personal predictions, media predictions, and how I have evaluated players to this point.

1. Jacksonville Jaguars - Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska (rJr.)
Long, explosive pass rusher that is developing a lethal overall game coming off the edge, Gregory fits perfectly in Jacksonville as HC Gus Bradley continues to build his team.

2. Oakland Raiders - Leonard Williams, DL, USC (Jr.)
Versatile defensive lineman with a future at 3-Tech and Gerald McCoy type potential if he becomes more consistent, Williams can be the lynchpin of the Raider's DL for years.

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon (rJr.)
The "consensus" top QB prospect, the Bucs will take the exciting athlete who is focused, driven, and clean as a whistle off the field. Mariota has an impressive resume of production and holds numerous Oregon and national records.

4. Tennessee Titans - Vic Beasley, Edge, Clemson (rSr.)
Combine production with elite athleticism and you have a top prospect, in this case, the type of edge rusher Tennessee's defense needs.

5. New York Jets - Jameis Winston, QB, Florida state (rSo.)
Polarizing, unpredictable, immature.... and an outstanding QB on the field. Winston will be the source of much debate leading up to the draft, but the Jets can't afford to pass on the young, Heisman-winning signal caller with the outstanding tools, leadership, and football IQ.

6. Washington Redskins - Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (rJr.)
A talented, self made shut down defender that combines good athleticism with top notch technical skills and fiery competitiveness. Peters is a relentless press cover corner, and a very safe choice for Washington's secondary.

7. St. Louis Rams - Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama (Jr.)
An elite WR prospect reminiscent of Reggie Wayne, Cooper combines 4.4 speed with excellent knowledge of route running and gaining separation. The SEC star has dominated since he was a true freshman, and sits at #3 in receptions and yards and #1 in TDs in the Alabama receiving record books. The Rams cannot pass on this NFL ready receiver.

8. Minnesota Vikings - Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia (Jr.)
With some calling him an Adrian Peterson type prospect at RB, the Vikings break the trend of devaluing RBs and select the Georgia phenom in the top ten. At the time of this writing, per the UGA record books, Gurley sits at #3 all time for rushing yards, #3 all time for rushing TDs, and #1 all time in yards per carry among qualifying backs. He sports a 6'1'', 230 pound build and runs sub 4.50, making for a force to be reckoned with coming through the hole.

9. Chicago Bears - Cedric Ogbeuhi, OT, Texas A&M (rSr.)
With the inconsistent and injury prone Jermon Bushrod at LT and Jordan Mills struggling at RT, the Bears select the versatile and athletic tackle from Texas A&M to be a long term pass protector.

10. Atlanta Falcons - Dante Fowler Jr., Edge, Florida (Jr.)
A supremely talented edge rusher with an inconsistent college career, the Falcons are impressed with how he's transformed himself in the 2014 season and select the big, fast, and strong edge player who fits their defense.

11. New Orleans Saints - Shane Ray, Edge, Missouri (rJr.)
A player who blew up both the 2014 season and the 2015 combine, Ray flies up draft boards and the Saints take the "freaks list" edge rusher for their multiple scheme.

12. Kansas City Chiefs - Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State (rJr.)
A 2* football/track recruit out of Kenosha, Wisconsin, Waynes has blossomed into an elite talent and prototypically built NFL boundary corner. With other tall corners Sean Smith and Marcus Cooper having up and down seasons, the Chiefs lock down one side by selecting Waynes.

13. Miami Dolphins - Shaq Thompson, LB, Washington (Jr.)
Lacking athleticism, speed, and consistency from their LBs, the Dolphins go with the former 5* and All-American recruit in Thompson to play the WLB spot where he can drop into coverage, pursue RBs, and rush off the edge.

14. Cleveland Browns - Devin Funchess, WR, Michigan (Jr.)
With Josh Gordon back, the Browns select Funchess at 6'5'', 230 pounds to replicate the "Two Towers" of Detroit and Tampa Bay. Funchess played both TE and WR at Michigan but is clearly fast enough, fluid enough, and can jump high enough to play WR in the NFL. He's a matchup nightmare on the perimeter or in the slot.

15. Houston Texans - Donovan Smith, OT, Penn State (Jr.)
A surprise mid 1st round choice compared to many mocks at this point, Smith (a former Bill O'Brien player) declares and rockets up draft boards thanks to his prototypical build, strength, reach, and light feet. His head coach selects him to play RT and eventually LT.

16. Pittsburgh Steelers - P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State (Jr.)
A Steelers type corner, the team selects Williams as Ike Taylor's replacement. He's tall and has elite athleticism. Williams will take his lumps early on but he's the definition of a play-maker and has the potential to develop into a very good corner.

17. Detroit Lions - Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa (rSr.)
With Riley Reiff on the left side, the Lions select Scherff to manhandle the right side and give Stafford two big, mean, powerful bookends. Scherff is a weight room monster and will control any DL he gets a firm grip on.

18. Cleveland Browns (via Bills) - Shawn Oakman, DE, Baylor (rJr.)
As Cleveland's defense gets more multiple, they add a freak of nature defensive lineman in Oakman. Standing 6'8'' and weighing 280+, Oakman moves like a man half his size. He can play defensive end in a 3 or 4 man front and could even stand up and rush as a jumbo edge player.

19. Indianapolis Colts - Landon Collins, S, Alabama (Jr.)
A sure bet at SS, the Colts select the Crimson Tide heavy hitter to play an enforcing, in the box role and cover TEs down the field.

20. Green Bay Packers - Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State (Jr.)
A 5* recruit and Junior Olympic track star, the Packers select Darby to replace some free agent corners. He is a pure cover man with elite fluidity and recovery speed to stick on a receiver's hip.

21. New England Patriots - Danny Shelton, DT, Washington
Vince Wilfork can't play forever, and Danny Shelton is certainly a good replacement to groom. At 6'2'' and 340 pounds, Shelton requires double teams consistently and is still not moved off the ball. On passing downs, should he stay on the field, he can collapse the pocket and get "effort" sacks.

22. Baltimore Ravens - Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin (rJr.)
A high school teammate of Trae Waynes and another undervalued recruit out of Kenosha, Wisconsin, Gordon is a former 3* prospect who has blown those scouting reports away. With a chiseled 6'1'', 210 pound frame, Gordon averaged over 10 yards a carry in 2013 while he ran for over 1600 yards and is shredding defenses again in 2014 with two 250+ yard performances and 9 TDs through six games. He is viewed as a deadly weapon in Kubiak's blocking scheme, and the Ravens take the other 1st round RB.

23. Carolina Panthers - Benardrick McKinney, LB, Mississippi State
Lacking a true blitz threat from the LB corps, the Panthers select the athletic freak with the 6'5'' frame out of Mississippi State. McKinney fits the mold of today's hybrid SLBs and is an exciting talent.

24. New York Giants - Michael Bennett, DT, Ohio State
Looking to vamp up their pass rush, the Giants select Michael Bennett to penetrate on the interior. He has a compact build at 6'2'' and 290 pounds, and packs a lot of explosive power into that size.

25. San Francisco 49ers - Mario Edwards Jr., DE, Florida State
A former 5* recruit coveted by every college program, Edwards has grown into an extremely strong and surprisingly athletic defensive lineman. He pancaked Greg Robinson in the National Championship Game and can do a standing backflip at close to 300 pounds. The 49ers select him as their Justin Smith successor, a role in which he could be dominant.

26. Cincinnati Bengals - Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State
In Strong, the Bengals select a big, graceful, coordinated possession target to man the void opposite A.J. Green that Mohamed Sanu could never quite fill.

27. Denver Broncos - Hau'oli Kikaha, DE, Washington
A bit of a sleeper prospect due to extensive injury history, the Broncos select Kikaka to compliment their pass rush and replace Derek Wolfe when advantageous. His hand usage is that of a top notch NFL veteran and he understands leverage and how to close.

28. Arizona Cardinals - La'el Collins, OL, LSU
With a patchwork offensive line, the Cardinals select a strong, reliable OL talent out of LSU in Collins. With the ability to play either tackle or guard spot at a high level, Collins should give that line a huge boost.

29. Seattle Seahawks - DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville
Perhaps the best senior WR in the country when healthy, the Seahawks select Parker to give them a fast, strong vertical threat that wins down the field and in the redzone with pull away strides and excellent leaping ability/catch radius.

30. San Diego Chargers - Carl Davis, DL, Iowa
A long defensive tackle with the anchor of an oak tree and plenty of strength, the Chargers select the 6'4'', 315 pound Davis who can play either nose tackle or 5-tech end in their defensive scheme and help disrupt the run and close the pocket.

31. Dallas Cowboys - Cody Prewitt, S, Ole Miss
An experienced SEC safety that can cover and hits like a truck, the Cowboys make a good choice for the defense and select the 6'2'', 215 pound All-American who should start from Day 1.

32. Philadelphia Eagles - Ifo Ekpre-Olumo, CB, Oregon
Chip Kelly likes his Ducks, and he brings in one of his guys in Ekpre-Olumo to bolster a group of struggling CBs. Ekpre-Olumo is a bit undersized, but like Brandon Boykin he has a nose for the ball.


33. Jacksonville Jaguars - Karl Joseph, S, West Virginia
34. Oakland Raiders - Kevin White, WR, West Virginia
35. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Markus Golden, DE, Missouri
36. Tennessee Titans - Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA
37. New York Jets - Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn
38. Washington Redskins - Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State
39. St. Louis Rams - Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
40. Minnesota Vikings - Denzel Perryman, LB, Miami
41. Chicago Bears - Jalen Mills, S, LSU
42. Atlanta Falcons - Cameron Erving, OL, Florida State
43. New Orleans Saints - Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
44. Kansas City Chiefs - Brandon Shell, OT, South Carolina
45. Miami Dolphins - Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest
46. Cleveland Browns - Anthony Harris, S, Viginia
47. Houston Texans - Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford
48. Pittsburgh Steelers - Eli Harold, Edge, Virginia
49. Detroit Lions - Kris Frost, LB, Auburn
50. Buffalo Bills - A.J. Cann, OG, South Carolina
51. Indianapolis Colts - Leonard Floyd, Edge, Georgia
52. Green Bay Packers - Hroniss Grasu, C, Oregon
53. New England Patriots - D'haquille Williams, WR, Auburn
54. Baltimore Ravens - Tracy Howard, CB, Miami
55. Carolina Panthers - Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State
56. New York Giants - Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State
57. San Francisco 49ers - Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville
58. Cincinnati Bengals - Kurtis Drummond, S, Michigan State
59. Denver Broncos - Stephone Anthony, LB, Clemson
60. Arizona Cardinals - Alvin Dupree, Edge, Kentucky
61. Seattle Seahawks - Sean Hickey, OL, Syracuse
62. San Diego Chargers - Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska
63. Dallas Cowboys - Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State
64. Philadelphia Eagles - Jeremy Cash, S, Duke



65. Jacksonville Jaguars - Duke Johnson, RB, Miami
66. Oakland Raiders - Daryll Williams, OT, Oklahoma
67. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tre Jackson, OG, Florida State
68. Tennessee Titans - KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame
69. New York Jets - Lorenzo Mauldin, Edge, Louisville
70. Washington Redskins - Xavier Williams, DL, Northern Iowa
71. St. Louis Rams - Eric Kendricks, LB, UCLA
72. Minnesota Vikings - Josue Matias, OG, Florida State
73. Chicago Bears - Lorenzo Doss, CB, Tulane
74. Atlanta Falcons - Jeff Heuerman, TE, Ohio State
75. New Orleans Saints - Reese Dismukes, C, Auburn
76. Kansas City Chiefs - Stefon Diggs, WR, Maryland
77. Miami Dolphins - Gerod Holliman, S, Louisville
78. Cleveland Browns - Zach Hodges, Edge, Harvard
79. Houston Texans - Daryll Monroe, ILB, Washington State
80. Pittsburgh Steelers - Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska
81. Detroit Lions - Cody Riggs, CB, Notre Dame
82. Buffalo Bills - Nick O'Leary, H-Back, Florida State
83. Indianapolis Colts - Ellis McCarthy, DL, UCLA
84. Green Bay Packers - Jordan Phillips, DL, Oklahoma
85. New England Patriots - Chris Hackett, S, TCU
86. Baltimore Ravens - Nelson Agholor, WR, USC
87. Carolina Panthers - Ishmael Adams, CB, UCLA
88. New York Giants - A.J. Johnson, LB, Tennessee
89. San Francisco 49ers - Tyreek Hill, RB/WR, Oklahoma State
90. Cincinnati Bengals - Eric Murray, CB, Minnesota
91. Denver Broncos - T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama
92. Arizona Cardinals - Eric Striker, LB, Oklahoma
93. Seattle Seahawks - Arik Armstead, DL, Oregon
94. San Diego Chargers - Damien Wilson, LB, Minnesota
95. Dallas Cowboys - Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor
96. Philadelphia Eagles - Jamil Douglas, OL, Arizona State

97. Jacksonville Jaguars - Isaac Seumalo, OL, Oregon State
98. Oakland Raiders - Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State
99. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Cassanova Mckinzy, LB, Auburn
100. Tennessee Titans - Nelson Spruce, WR, Colorado
101. New York Jets - Justin Cox, DB, Mississippi State
102. Washington Redskins - Laken Tomlinson, OG, Duke
103. St. Louis Rams - Derron Smith, S, Fresno State
104. Minnesota Vikings - Gabe Wright, DT, Auburn
105. Chicago Bears - Owamagbe Odighizuwa, DE, UCLA
106. Atlanta Falcons - Jamison Crowder, WR, Duke
107. New Orleans Saints - Ramik Wilson, LB, Georgia
108. Kansas City Chiefs - Sheldon Day, DL, Notre Dame
109. Miami Dolphins - Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M
110. Cleveland Browns - Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami
111. Houston Texans - Durrell Eskridge, S, Syracuse
112. Pittsburgh Steelers - Jalston Fowler, FB, Alabama
113. Detroit Lions - Grady Jarrett, DT, Clemson
114. Buffalo Bills - Deon Bush, S, Miami
115. Indianapolis Colts - Karlos Williams, RB, Florida State
116. Green Bay Packers - Jesse James, TE, Penn State
117. New England Patriots - Eric Lefeld, OL, Cincinnati
118. Baltimore Ravens - Malcolm Brown, DL, Texas
119. Carolina Panthers - Tyrus Thompson, OT, Oklahoma
120. New York Giants - Arie Kouandjio, OG, Alabama
121. San Francisco 49ers - Lynden Trail, Edge, Norfolk State
122. Cincinnati Bengals - LeRaven Clark, OT, Texas Tech
123. Denver Broncos - Chucky Hunter, DT, TCU
124. Arizona Cardinals - Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana
125. Seattle Seahawks - E.J. Bibbs, TE, Iowa State
126. San Diego Chargers - Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State
127. Dallas Cowboys - Jay Ajayi, RB, Boise State
128. Philadelphia Eagles - Nate Orchard, Edge, Utah


129. Jacksonville Jaguars - Clive Walford, TE, Miami
130. Oakland Raiders - James Sample, S, Louisville
131. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tyeler Davidson, DT, Fresno State
132. Tennessee Titans - Terry Williams, DT, ECU
133. New York Jets - Javorius "Buck" Allen, RB, USC
134. Washington Redskins - Trevon Stewart, S, Houston
135. St. Louis Rams - Quandre Diggs, CB, Texas
136. Minnesota Vikings - Jake Fisher, OL, Oregon
137. Chicago Bears - Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami
138. Atlanta Falcons - Isaiah Johnson, S, GA Tech
139. New Orleans Saints - Vadal Alexander, G, LSU
140. Kansas City Chiefs - Jordan Rigsbee, G, Cal
141. Miami Dolphins - Jonathan Williams, RB, Arkansas
142. Cleveland Browns - Josh Tupou, DT, Colorado
143. Houston Texans - DeMarcus Hodge, DT, Arkansas
144. Pittsburgh Steelers - Corey Robinson, OT, South Carolina
145. Detroit Lions - Vince Mayle, WR, Washington State
146. Buffalo Bills - Senquez Golson, CB, Ole Miss
147. Indianapolis Colts - Taiwan Jones, LB, Michigan State
148. Green Bay Packers - Michael Orakpo, LB, Texas State
149. New England Patriots - Leonte Carroo, WR, Rutgers
150. Baltimore Ravens - Bronson Kaufusi, Edge, BYU
151. Carolina Panthers - Anthony Chickillo, DE, Miami
152. New York Giants - Tony Lippett, WR, Michigan State
153. San Francisco 49ers - Jamon Brown, OL, Louisville
154. Cincinnati Bengals - Luther Maddy, DT, VA Tech
155. Denver Broncos - Evan Boehm, C, Missouri
156. Arizona Cardinals - Leon Orr, DT, Florida
157. Seattle Seahawks - Wayne Lyons, CB, Stanford
158. San Diego Chargers - Adam Shead, OG, Oklahoma
159. Dallas Cowboys - D'Joun Smith, CB, FAU
160. Philadelphia Eagles - Everett Golson, QB, Notre Dame


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know they aren't the top rated prospects but I really want the combo of Montgomery and Perryman. I think Perryman has Patrick Willis type potential and Montgomery is just a physical freak. I think he'll be the top rated WR at seasons end. Just my opinion
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My first point is not at all related to the picks you made for the Jaguars but I think it has to be said. If the Jets are bad enough that they are picking #1, Geno and Vick are lost causes and a QB will most definitely need to be considered. A lot can change between now and the draft, but I think at this point Winston and Mariota are regarded highly enough as to have one of them making more sense than a LT for a team that has a pretty good one. Frankly, I think both of them are much too low in this mock. At this point they both seem like top 10 players.

As for the Jaguars, the pick in the first round is a good position although at this point I am not sure I like the player this much. Frankly I am not entirely convinced at this point any one of the LEO candidates warrants the #2 overall pick but I certainly like Calhoun from MSU and Beasley from Clemson a bit more for this defense. The CB in round 2 is another instance of position possibly being correct although I think there is the distinct possibility the secondary takes a significant jump forward this season to the point that CB actually is not such a pressing need. FS could prove to be a need in the backfield, so I could see that position being addressed here in the 2nd round. Finally, the Jaguars just spent a 3rd round pick on a RG and have a good LG that they picked up in free agency. I just question the rationale behind this, unless you expect the rookie to in one season prove himself to be worthless at RG.
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If the jets are picking 1st that means geno sucked it up and we will probably go QB if not in the 2nd round. We could go Amari Cooper in the 1st. Taking an OT first just seems kinda dumb

Also if Tampa Bay is picking that high I think they would go QB as well.
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jshowers wrote:
Using WalterFootball's draft order. Prediction mock, not necessarily what I think teams "should" do. If I messed up a pick or two because of trades, go easy on me.

Sean and this is where it doesn't make sense to me. What part of how San Diego has drafted or set themselves up for the 2015 draft so far leads you to believe that "value-at-position of need" drafter Tom Telesco is going to sink a 1st round pick into a RB when, by all accounts, Donald Brown was specifically signed for multiple years as an insurance policy for Mathews both this year and the next (even if 2015 is a year where Mathews is no longer a Charger)?

What kills this is that probably the biggest value/need matching goes literally one pick prior to ours with Grasu (Nick Hardwick's contract is up in 2015 and he's already toyed with the idea of retirement; his backup is on a single-year contract).

And Goodley just feels like a force-fit to satisfy a need. By your own admission in your eval of him, Goodley appears to be more athlete than football player. The Chargers under McCoy have been operating with much more of a timing-route-based passing offense which Goodley's current lack of refined route-running or versatility of a route-tree to his arsenal really hinder him in.
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Why does everybody keep giving us a tackle? Laughing

I like the draft otherwise.
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the three positions you addressed in Arizona's draft were all addressed early in the 2014 draft...

ILB, CB, and WR should be Arizona's biggest needs in 2015.

I like the effort you put in this though
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bucsfan333 wrote:
Why does everybody keep giving us a tackle? Laughing

I like the draft otherwise.


Because yours aren't very good Wink
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The LBC wrote:
jshowers wrote:
Using WalterFootball's draft order. Prediction mock, not necessarily what I think teams "should" do. If I messed up a pick or two because of trades, go easy on me.

Sean and this is where it doesn't make sense to me. What part of how San Diego has drafted or set themselves up for the 2015 draft so far leads you to believe that "value-at-position of need" drafter Tom Telesco is going to sink a 1st round pick into a RB when, by all accounts, Donald Brown was specifically signed for multiple years as an insurance policy for Mathews both this year and the next (even if 2015 is a year where Mathews is no longer a Charger)?

What kills this is that probably the biggest value/need matching goes literally one pick prior to ours with Grasu (Nick Hardwick's contract is up in 2015 and he's already toyed with the idea of retirement; his backup is on a single-year contract).

And Goodley just feels like a force-fit to satisfy a need. By your own admission in your eval of him, Goodley appears to be more athlete than football player. The Chargers under McCoy have been operating with much more of a timing-route-based passing offense which Goodley's current lack of refined route-running or versatility of a route-tree to his arsenal really hinder him in.


Thanks for the in-depth reply, LBC. May have been a little critical, though, for a 3 round mock in June Wink

I don't think you guys re-up with Matthews. Donald Brown is a "meh" talent despite how the FO may sugarcoat it. Gordon is special.... why not be happy with that?

I didn't take into account specific passing systems/principles, because again, this was a long task to write and admittedly I'm not an expert on the operating systems of each team and their nuances. Will keep in mind, though, that the Chargers prefer polish over athleticism when it comes to that spot.

Again, thanks for the response!
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You have Mariota listed twice and although I like Hundley, I like Petty and Mariota more especially in the 2nd round. Rather get a PR in the 1st with Beasley.
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ttitansfan4life wrote:
You have Mariota listed twice and although I like Hundley, I like Petty and Mariota more especially in the 2nd round. Rather get a PR in the 1st with Beasley.


Thanks. The 2nd Mariota was supposed to be Connor Cook to the Texans.

That would make three 1st round QBs and two 2nd round QBs.
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Not a huge fan of drafting a receiver in the second, and while I agree with the first round pick, I've given up hope that the Falcons will ever take a pass rusher in the first.

I'd imagine our draft will probably look like (again, really early, but if I had to guess):

1. TE
2. S
3. PR


Then again, who knows.
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JShowers quick question. I understand the Cooper pick but why the Williams pick ? Is it just BPA or do you think that will be a need for us ? Our DL depth is great i say our top needs would be WR, ILB, and S you could probably throw in OLB too because I don't think Kruger lives out his contract.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Jshow's first 2015 mock.... 3 rounds Reply with quote

jshowers wrote:
The LBC wrote:
jshowers wrote:
Using WalterFootball's draft order. Prediction mock, not necessarily what I think teams "should" do. If I messed up a pick or two because of trades, go easy on me.

Sean and this is where it doesn't make sense to me. What part of how San Diego has drafted or set themselves up for the 2015 draft so far leads you to believe that "value-at-position of need" drafter Tom Telesco is going to sink a 1st round pick into a RB when, by all accounts, Donald Brown was specifically signed for multiple years as an insurance policy for Mathews both this year and the next (even if 2015 is a year where Mathews is no longer a Charger)?

What kills this is that probably the biggest value/need matching goes literally one pick prior to ours with Grasu (Nick Hardwick's contract is up in 2015 and he's already toyed with the idea of retirement; his backup is on a single-year contract).

And Goodley just feels like a force-fit to satisfy a need. By your own admission in your eval of him, Goodley appears to be more athlete than football player. The Chargers under McCoy have been operating with much more of a timing-route-based passing offense which Goodley's current lack of refined route-running or versatility of a route-tree to his arsenal really hinder him in.


Thanks for the in-depth reply, LBC. May have been a little critical, though, for a 3 round mock in June Wink

I don't think you guys re-up with Matthews. Donald Brown is a "meh" talent despite how the FO may sugarcoat it. Gordon is special.... why not be happy with that?

I didn't take into account specific passing systems/principles, because again, this was a long task to write and admittedly I'm not an expert on the operating systems of each team and their nuances. Will keep in mind, though, that the Chargers prefer polish over athleticism when it comes to that spot.

Again, thanks for the response!

I agree on the premature bit; my thought is just that we've seen more times than not that a good OL can make a middling RB look better much more often than the other way around. So the positional value in OL, particularly if both positions are deemed needs, is substantially more than RB is - and the longevity with the franchise tends to also be greater.

It's not a polish over athleticism as an all-encompassing philosophy, but they are (I feel fairly safe in saying after watching two drafts under this FO) very high on the "football player" types over unrefined pure athletes. It's such a too-oft-used term, and that's not to say that they haven't taken guys who are quite good athletes when they were available to them, but the "mentality" has appeared to take precedent over the "athletic ability" except when both were available.
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BeeperKing wrote:
Not a huge fan of drafting a receiver in the second, and while I agree with the first round pick, I've given up hope that the Falcons will ever take a pass rusher in the first.

I'd imagine our draft will probably look like (again, really early, but if I had to guess):

1. TE
2. S
3. PR


Then again, who knows.


Beeper i do have this question for you and Jshow. Fowler to me seems like much more of a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 olb and Vic Beasley seems much more like a 3-4 olb than a 4-3 DE.

With the Falcons mostly going 3-4 as their scheme now with Tyson Jackson, Paul Soilia, and Rashede Hageman as the 3 down lineman would it not make more sense to go Beasley in this situation of the 2 players since both are similar in talent but scheme fit goes much more to Beasley.

Even more so if you got this from walter rankings considering they don't even list Fowler as a 3-4 olb and only a 4-3 DE at the next level in their rankings.


I would also take a RB in the next 2 rounds somewhere to replace Jackson and be a good tandem with Freeman even over WR for sure im quite pleased at this point in time with our WR core of Julio, Roddy(Signing a new contract in the next few weeks), Harry Douglas, Devin Hester, Darius Johnson, and Drew Davis.

With the other pick would easily take a TE so with your draft i would have went something like this with who was available at each pick.

1st - Vic Beasley - 3-4 OLB Edge rusher

2nd - Nic k O' Learey -Te - This is a eash choice we have to get a replacement for Gonzo in this draft or FA and Nick is a great pick in the 2nd round. To give our offense that extra element and threat outside of WR. He is almost like a WR which you wanted to give us but he provides it at a much bigger position of need how can this not be the pick Smile

3rd - Yeldon or Marshall - I would trade up for Yeldon in this situation which we could do easiily with him falling so close to us. Falcons could give a 3rd and 5th to go get him for sure. But since im not sure if you do trades then i'll accept Marshall as a backup plan and a good change up to Freeman for the offense.
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