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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's slowly being phased out of apparel, jerseys, etc. The team is moving more towards the block "C" and away from Chief Wahoo.


Maybe you should take it our of your avatar Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Brodie wrote:
But just because he isnt offended doesnt mean it cant be offensive to a small number of people who belong to that group.


Which is irrelevant to my response.

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In the 2004 survey, the question was asked of 768 self-identified Indians or Native Americans. Nine percent said they found the name offensive. The poll included data from Oct. 7, 2003 through Sept. 20, 2004. For more on the survey click here, and for the original news release, click here.


Most of us are aware of that survey. Are you also aware of the grassroots campaign by indian nations to get the names changed? Or the add they spent money on in protest of the name? Or the court fights? Its pretty clear that survey from 10 years ago likely isnt indicative of the overall sentiment NOW.

If you find the Fighting Irish so offensive and racist, have you done anything to change it? Or are you okay with it being racist simply because it has always been racist?

I personally dont find anything racist about it. And I am as Irish as they come. Born a carrot top. Kids born the same way. I think the name and mascot allude to our plucky nature and our unwillingness to back down. What positive do you glean from the name "Redskins?"


i legit think it's alpha as hell and i think of a strong warrior (srs). i've never thought of anything negative because of it.

idk how native americans are so offended by this (well 95% prolly aren't, but as in everything of course the squeaky wheels get the grease).

personally i would think it's kind of cool to have mascots named after groups of people with positive characteristics they're know for (like fighting irish). this is a native american portrayed as a strong warrior. i don't see how someone can be offended.

if you let everything in life offend you or upset you, you'll never be happy. some people take things way too seriously.


So you would be okay with the Green Bay Chinks? Or the Green Bay Spics? Do those terms make you think of a "strong warrior" as well?

It's a racial epithet, man. We arent talking "Indians" or "Braves". We are talking about a flat out racial epithet. Used as a team name. Maybe it's even more depressing that you would associate THAT word, of all words, to envision a native american warrior.

And lets be clear, being offended by something /= being offended by everything.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doc Draper wrote:
My vote for a new name is the Washington Bullets

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Brodie wrote:
But just because he isnt offended doesnt mean it cant be offensive to a small number of people who belong to that group.


Which is irrelevant to my response. I am talking about inventing distaste where there normally isnt any simply because you find something else distasteful. Don't suddenly decide the Fighting Irish logo and mascot are distasteful just because others find the Redskins distasteful and you disagree.

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In the 2004 survey, the question was asked of 768 self-identified Indians or Native Americans. Nine percent said they found the name offensive. The poll included data from Oct. 7, 2003 through Sept. 20, 2004. For more on the survey click here, and for the original news release, click here.


Most of us are aware of that survey. Are you also aware of the grassroots campaign by indian nations to get the names changed? Or the add they spent money on in protest of the name? Or the court fights? Its pretty clear that survey from 10 years ago likely isnt indicative of the overall sentiment NOW.

If you find the Fighting Irish so offensive and racist, have you done anything to change it? Or are you okay with it being racist simply because it has always been racist?

I personally dont find anything racist about it. And I am as Irish as they come. Born a carrot top. Kids born the same way. I think the name and mascot allude to our plucky nature and our unwillingness to back down. What positive do you glean from the name "Redskins?"


Yes I am aware of the grassroots campaign and the I also saw the commercial that was made.

Maybe some see it as honoring the native american people as strong and warriors. Who knows. Just like you were able to explain your endearment for the fighting Irish name im pretty sure there are some indians who can do the same with Redskins.

But back to football. If they have to change the name. Will most likely just be changed to Skins and keep the same logo
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Runaway Jim wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
My vote for a new name is the Washington Bullets


Best response in here. That would be epic.
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With regards to the Cleveland Indians, do people take issue with the entire team name and association with Indians, or is it with the cartoonish logo?
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flyers0909 wrote:
With regards to the Cleveland Indians, do people take issue with the entire team name and association with Indians, or is it with the cartoonish logo?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J Pep 4 Step wrote:
IrishGreen wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Brodie wrote:
But just because he isnt offended doesnt mean it cant be offensive to a small number of people who belong to that group.


Which is irrelevant to my response.

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In the 2004 survey, the question was asked of 768 self-identified Indians or Native Americans. Nine percent said they found the name offensive. The poll included data from Oct. 7, 2003 through Sept. 20, 2004. For more on the survey click here, and for the original news release, click here.


Most of us are aware of that survey. Are you also aware of the grassroots campaign by indian nations to get the names changed? Or the add they spent money on in protest of the name? Or the court fights? Its pretty clear that survey from 10 years ago likely isnt indicative of the overall sentiment NOW.

If you find the Fighting Irish so offensive and racist, have you done anything to change it? Or are you okay with it being racist simply because it has always been racist?

I personally dont find anything racist about it. And I am as Irish as they come. Born a carrot top. Kids born the same way. I think the name and mascot allude to our plucky nature and our unwillingness to back down. What positive do you glean from the name "Redskins?"


i legit think it's alpha as hell and i think of a strong warrior (srs). i've never thought of anything negative because of it.

idk how native americans are so offended by this (well 95% prolly aren't, but as in everything of course the squeaky wheels get the grease).

personally i would think it's kind of cool to have mascots named after groups of people with positive characteristics they're know for (like fighting irish). this is a native american portrayed as a strong warrior. i don't see how someone can be offended.

if you let everything in life offend you or upset you, you'll never be happy. some people take things way too seriously.


So you would be okay with the Green Bay Chinks? Or the Green Bay Spics? Do those terms make you think of a "strong warrior" as well?

It's a racial epithet, man. We arent talking "Indians" or "Braves". We are talking about a flat out racial epithet. Used as a team name.

And lets be clear, being offended by something /= being offended by everything.


well first, no i wouldn't be okay because it's a historical name that i want to be preserved. i better watch it though because meat packers might be offended that their job is being marginalized.

secondly, no, because those don't have positive connotations with pretty much all people. i've never heard of anyone using "redskin" as an insult. and my state has a solid native american population, so it's not like i'm some ignorant idiot.

one of the big jokes is "time to go donate to the indians" when going to a casino, yet you don't see native americans complaining about casinos bringing negative connotations to them.

i'm not going to describe my heritage/ancestry on a football forum, but you can call me most stereotypes you want and i really wouldn't be offended. so the ones that are somewhat endearing? i'd laugh right along with you.

i don't see how fighting irish is really any different than redskins. you do realize like that one dude said earlier, irish people were kind of considered lower than the average population at one time, right? so i think if you accept a punching midget lepracaun as acceptable, i don't see why a strong, old indian warrior can be considered offensive.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brodie wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Brodie wrote:
But just because he isnt offended doesnt mean it cant be offensive to a small number of people who belong to that group.


Which is irrelevant to my response. I am talking about inventing distaste where there normally isnt any simply because you find something else distasteful. Don't suddenly decide the Fighting Irish logo and mascot are distasteful just because others find the Redskins distasteful and you disagree.

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In the 2004 survey, the question was asked of 768 self-identified Indians or Native Americans. Nine percent said they found the name offensive. The poll included data from Oct. 7, 2003 through Sept. 20, 2004. For more on the survey click here, and for the original news release, click here.


Most of us are aware of that survey. Are you also aware of the grassroots campaign by indian nations to get the names changed? Or the add they spent money on in protest of the name? Or the court fights? Its pretty clear that survey from 10 years ago likely isnt indicative of the overall sentiment NOW.

If you find the Fighting Irish so offensive and racist, have you done anything to change it? Or are you okay with it being racist simply because it has always been racist?

I personally dont find anything racist about it. And I am as Irish as they come. Born a carrot top. Kids born the same way. I think the name and mascot allude to our plucky nature and our unwillingness to back down. What positive do you glean from the name "Redskins?"


Yes I am aware of the grassroots campaign and the I also saw the commercial that was made.

Maybe some see it as honoring the native american people as strong and warriors. Who knows. Just like you were able to explain your endearment for the fighting Irish name im pretty sure there are some indians who can do the same with Redskins.

But back to football. If they have to change the name. Will most likely just be changed to Skins and keep the same logo


Probably for the best.

I like the Razorbacks or Hogs. I really like the Hogs. I think either would make for an awesome logo and mascot.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BenderRodriguez wrote:
Why stop there,

[Blackhawks logo]

I'd love to see them change to something like this


Would instantly identify as a fan of the team if they did.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Runaway Jim wrote:
Doc Draper wrote:
My vote for a new name is the Washington Bullets


Best response in here. That would be epic.
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IrishGreen wrote:
J Pep 4 Step wrote:
Brodie wrote:
But just because he isnt offended doesnt mean it cant be offensive to a small number of people who belong to that group.


Which is irrelevant to my response.

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In the 2004 survey, the question was asked of 768 self-identified Indians or Native Americans. Nine percent said they found the name offensive. The poll included data from Oct. 7, 2003 through Sept. 20, 2004. For more on the survey click here, and for the original news release, click here.


Most of us are aware of that survey. Are you also aware of the grassroots campaign by indian nations to get the names changed? Or the add they spent money on in protest of the name? Or the court fights? Its pretty clear that survey from 10 years ago likely isnt indicative of the overall sentiment NOW.

If you find the Fighting Irish so offensive and racist, have you done anything to change it? Or are you okay with it being racist simply because it has always been racist?

I personally dont find anything racist about it. And I am as Irish as they come. Born a carrot top. Kids born the same way. I think the name and mascot allude to our plucky nature and our unwillingness to back down. What positive do you glean from the name "Redskins?"


i legit think it's alpha as hell and i think of a strong warrior (srs). i've never thought of anything negative because of it.

idk how native americans are so offended by this (well 95% prolly aren't, but as in everything of course the squeaky wheels get the grease).

personally i would think it's kind of cool to have mascots named after groups of people with positive characteristics they're know for (like fighting irish). this is a native american portrayed as a strong warrior. i don't see how someone can be offended.

if you let everything in life offend you or upset you, you'll never be happy. some people take things way too seriously.

also, pretty much every group of people has quirks and stuff they can be "marginalized" for. you can either laugh it off and even embrace it somewhat, or get upset about it. usually i find the former are much more fun to be around.


It's very easy to tell people not to take offense to something when that something isn't targeted at you.

Also, the folks who advocated historically against the epithets we now take for granted as offensive probably weren't "fun to be around" at the time. They were right, though.

Also, your idea regarding teams incorporating more ethnic stereotypes as mascots? Horrible.
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http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9689220&src=desktop&wjb

Should all the Native American highschools that call themselves the redskins be forced to change their names too?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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secondly, no, because those don't have positive connotations with pretty much all people. i've never heard of anyone using "redskin" as an insult. and my state has a solid native american population, so it's not like i'm some ignorant idiot.

It doesn't matter that you think it has positive connotations. Frankly, your opinion as a non-Native American couldn't matter less about this. Laughing

Again, the study done by the trademark dept. found that 39% of the Native Americans they asked were offended. That's not an insignificant number.
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My vote:

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