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WCLF


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry Sanders wrote:

I think Killer knows more then you think.


Taking his track record into consideration I doubt it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bucky wrote:
The Lions probably don't have a good idea what their draft board is going to look like, all the bowls aren't finished, the senior bowl hasn't been played, the combine hasn't happened yet.


One bowl game isn't going to make or break a player's draft status. If you honestly think that anyone is going to drop Brady Quinn because of his performance against LSU - and ignore the rest of what he did throughout his college career - then you're sadly mistaken. Profiles for all of the players in college have been in the making since each player's freshman season - and sometimes in high school. One of the most important aspects of drafting players is determining how well they improve with coaching, and that can only be adequately measured across years. Thus, a bad Bowl Game or Senior Bowl performance will only cause most scouts and GMs to make a note of it and move on.

And the combine is horribly overrated. The media loves the mathematical and statistical nature of it, but most teams already have their opinions pretty much set. If a player runs much slower than what they've seen, or if he fails a Wonderlic test, they might re-examine the film and interviews to see where the discrepancy is, but otherwise the most important aspect of it is really just the physical given by the doctors.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bucky wrote:
The Lions probably don't have a good idea what their draft board is going to look like, all the bowls aren't finished, the senior bowl hasn't been played, the combine hasn't happened yet.


Does not mean they have not started to already start a draft board.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No which is why i said "they don't have a good idea" That'd be stupid for them not to have started looking at prospects.
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dom4prez


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laimbrane wrote:
Bucky wrote:
The Lions probably don't have a good idea what their draft board is going to look like, all the bowls aren't finished, the senior bowl hasn't been played, the combine hasn't happened yet.


One bowl game isn't going to make or break a player's draft status. If you honestly think that anyone is going to drop Brady Quinn because of his performance against LSU - and ignore the rest of what he did throughout his college career - then you're sadly mistaken. Profiles for all of the players in college have been in the making since each player's freshman season - and sometimes in high school. One of the most important aspects of drafting players is determining how well they improve with coaching, and that can only be adequately measured across years. Thus, a bad Bowl Game or Senior Bowl performance will only cause most scouts and GMs to make a note of it and move on.

And the combine is horribly overrated. The media loves the mathematical and statistical nature of it, but most teams already have their opinions pretty much set. If a player runs much slower than what they've seen, or if he fails a Wonderlic test, they might re-examine the film and interviews to see where the discrepancy is, but otherwise the most important aspect of it is really just the physical given by the doctors.



I totally agree with your theory, however, this isn't what always happens. In fact the senior bowl performances and combine greatly affect the draft. Many players help and hurt their stock during these activities. Look at how much Chad Jackson's 40 time helped him lastyear. Look at how high D'Brick's stock rose after he dominated Kiwi (and Kiwi's fell...). I definitely agree game performance throughout the season should be the greatest defining factor but unfortunately it isn't. These events are the first times many of the coaches and GM's get to see these kids perform in person and this usually has a lasting impression.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it puts the best at there respective position in the Senior Class (the closest to the NFL type player) It is a big factor. IT can make or break you.
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